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Wolfgang Registered user Username: Wolfgang
Post Number: 255 Registered: 10-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 2:29 am: |    |
So I wrote them a letter and asked about her addiction and the recipe I had gotten I think from gilbert on the vinegar and here is what they had to say to me.. Dear Wolfgang Thank you for contacting the Ellen G. White Estate. Ellen White’s struggle over vinegar is described in her own words that have been published for 70 years in Counsels on Diet and Foods. There are things about this that we would like to know, such as just when these events occurred. It is obvious from what she wrote that she was describing events somewhere in the past, that is, not recent to the time of writing. But we don’t know what the actual time frame is. Be that as it may, the only thing “new” in this presentation that you inquired about is the claim that it was a high content of alcohol that was affecting her. Though fermentation is a necessary step in the making of vinegar, what the author fails to mention is that recipes for vinegar (as for almost anything else) varied widely. Some, like those the author quoted, used alcohol directly among their ingredients. Others substituted such things as honey or fruit parings. No one knows the recipe or the percentage of alcohol content in the vinegar Ellen White referred to. I hope this may help. Thank you for writing, and God bless! William Fagal Associate Director Ellen G. White Estate 12501 Old Columbia Pike Silver Spring, MD 20904-6600 U.S.A. Phone: 301 680-6550 FAX: 301 680-6559 http://www.WhiteEstate.org |
Bskillet Registered user Username: Bskillet
Post Number: 84 Registered: 8-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 10:38 am: |    |
Take one down, pass it around, 99 bottles of vinegar on the wall... Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't her description of "vinegar withdrawl" match the symptoms of withdrawl from alcohol? |
Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe
Post Number: 1443 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 12:01 pm: |    |
We don't know. We just don't know. It could be, but again then it might not be. And we haven't known for a long time. And we don't know today. Most likely tomorrow we still won't know. Who knows? As SDA Pastor Kevin Morgan stated,"It is possible that she may have spoken something from her best judgment that was not correct. She herself gives us examples of this kind of thing--matters of judgment that God later revealed as being incorrect. My first assumption is not that she is wrong, but that I have overlooked something myself. I don't assume she is wrong every time I found an apparent contradiction. I have had enough evidence to see the genuineness of her relationship with Jesus and the reliability of her statements. I think you are saying, is there a principle of interpretation that allows her to be wrong on a major doctrine but still believable. Is that correct? If there isn't such a principle, and I deem something she teaches unbiblical, does that not disqualify her? Judging her as false on the basis of my own particular view of a passage or on the basis of the most negative view of her own words is not being fair to her. I must recognize the possibility that my view is lacking particulars that she was privileged to see." It is too bad that the Mormon and Adventist Churches don't merge. Their apologists seem to borrow from each other's playbooks. Like Colleen says, "When I try to talk with Adventists who are entrenched in their thinking I get a real tired feeling." Don't we all! Adventism is one big cesspool of deception. Gilbert Jorgensen It has been 164 Years, 1 Months, and 26 Days since October 22, 1844 |
Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast
Post Number: 598 Registered: 5-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 12:06 pm: |    |
File this explanation under "a definite possibility of a firm maybe". |
Wolfgang Registered user Username: Wolfgang
Post Number: 256 Registered: 10-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 7:07 pm: |    |
LOL Free,I didnt even respond to them,Im hoping thier own answer to me will jog thier brain cells into thinking a logical explantion to themselves. For being adventists they sure like to dance and spin ALOT!! Dawn |
Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 6161 Registered: 3-2004

| Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 7:41 pm: |    |
I have called their dancing the adventist twist. Diana L |
Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 9148 Registered: 12-2003

| Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 9:50 pm: |    |
I love it, Gilbert--the Mormons and SDAs borrow from each other's play books. Absolutely. No matter what the White Estate says, Ellen described her own struggle with "vinegar addiction" in terms that sound like alcohol addiction. Further, how does one become addicted to vinegar? What is the addictive substance in vinegar? We know, however, that fermentation precedes full-blown vinegar. Hello!! Is there something awry here?! Wearily, Colleen |
Stevendi Registered user Username: Stevendi
Post Number: 410 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 6:00 am: |    |
A drunk Ellen White - and her enabling codependent SDA cronies: Now there's an ugly picture. Steve |
Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe
Post Number: 1444 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 3:10 pm: |    |
Colleen, most people don't realize that the Mormon position on the black priesthood was heavily influenced by Ellen White's "Amalgamation of man and beast" insight. I initially found out this information at a black Mormon site. http://exposingadventism.com/content/facts/racial-prejudice_race-relations-mormonism.php Gilbert Jorgensen It has been 164 Years, 1 Months, and 27 Days since October 22, 1844 (Message edited by jorgfe on December 18, 2008) |
Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 9152 Registered: 12-2003

| Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 4:55 pm: |    |
Gilbert, I remember reading these findings earlier when you posted them. So interesting! As you said, "the same play book..." Colleen |