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Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe
Post Number: 1434 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Friday, December 05, 2008 - 6:11 am: |    |
Here is an interesting nugget for you to contemplate. I am not attempting to make it into something that it is not, but it will throw Adventists into a fit. Most Christians will agree that the Great Commission, described in Matthew 28:16-20, is God's command to us as well. Adventist might, in a moment of clear thinking agree, however they would have to resolve the conflict between that and their "Three Angels Messages" -- the third being the one they pervert into their Sabbath vs. Mark of the Beast message. So in Matthew 28:16-20 we have:- the disciples go to Galilee to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go.
- when they see Jesus they worship him
- Jesus picks this moment to give them the Great Commision
Questions:- To a Christian, is there any message God tells us to give the world that is greater than the Great Commission?
- Who gave it?
- Where did He give it?
- To whom does Matthew 28 say that he gave it?
- Who instructed them to assemble at this place and time?
- Did any worship occur at this meeting?
- What day of the week did God choose to give the Great Commission given on?
- Does God make mistakes?
Gilbert Jorgensen (Message edited by jorgfe on December 05, 2008) (Message edited by jorgfe on December 05, 2008) (Message edited by jorgfe on December 05, 2008) (Message edited by jorgfe on December 05, 2008) |
Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise
Post Number: 560 Registered: 7-2007
| Posted on Saturday, December 06, 2008 - 12:28 pm: |    |
Actually, I would like to point out for the sake of any Adventists who might be reading this, that Jesus DIDN'T change the Sabbath to another day. (Because you mentioned "day of the week," Gilbert.) Jesus Himself is the Sabbath now. Colossians 2:16,17 covers all the holy days saying, "a festival" - those were the annual and seasonal Sabbaths; "a new moon", and "a Sabbath" meaning the weekly Sabbaths. Verse 17 says that "the substance is of Christ," so Jesus fulfilled ALL those days. He's our REST now! The word "Testament" means "Covenant," and Jesus brought in the new Covenant at His death (Hebrews 8:13) I challenge ALL Adventists to prayerfully read the New Testament without Ellen White "blinders" on to see just what is now commanded and just what changes occurred between the Old and New Covenants. You'll see that the Bible will make sense as you read. You won't be having to say; "oh I don't understand that, but Ellen White explains it." You'll see that without Ellen White, the Bible makes perfect sense. |
Bskillet Registered user Username: Bskillet
Post Number: 41 Registered: 8-2008
| Posted on Saturday, December 06, 2008 - 12:35 pm: |    |
Christians met by tradition on Sunday starting even in the Book of Acts because that was the day of the resurrection, NOT because that was the day the Sabbath was changed to. Meeting on Sunday is a tradition only, not a Divine Commandment. A commandment to meet or rest on any specific day is not compatible with what the New Covenant is all about, which is a relationship with God that is not governed by the "elemental forces," as Paul calls them, by which he means external observances based on washings, food, drink, ceremonies, festivals, lists of "shalts" and "shalt nots." All such things are indeed governed by the "elemental forces," or that is by physical laws and physical matter and the rotation of the earth around the sun, or around its own axis. None of these "elemental forces," or physical laws, are capable of bringing about the true spiritual righteousness that comes only by trusting God. |
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