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| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1299 Registered: 6-2006  |
Hi Y'all! The other night I got to experience "Messiah's Mansion" with my little family and my in-laws. My SIL gave us the tour, as she and her husband own the traveling exhibit. It was torture, as you can imagine, and I prayed the whole time for protection over my kids. There were a few times that I wanted so badly to interrupt my SIL, but I just didn't want to be rude. One in particular was as she was telling the story of the temple in Jerusalem being torn down. I'm fuzzy - now I know the temple that Daniel prophesied about was taken over and defiled by Antiochus Epiphanes, but it certainly wasn't torn down. My SIL in her spiel said that the temple was torn down and never rebuilt. Was she talking about another temple in Jerusalem? Or was she a little farther down the timeline? I ask because she mentioned Daniel, threw Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in there (don't know why) and then brought up this temple being torn down. Then of course she hastily slips the "prophesy coming true in the 1800's" and then moved on to another subject. It was confusing as usual, as she's mixing in Biblical/historical stuff with SDA nonsense. Typical. So was there another temple she was talking about or was this the same temple that the Maccabees rescued and rededicated? Thanks!  Leigh Anne | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 319 Registered: 7-2008  |
Hello Leigh Anne In 70 AD the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed uder the attack of Titus. It has never been restored since then. Not sure, but i think the Dome of the Rock now sits in its place. Animal | ||
| Animal Registered user Username: Animal Post Number: 320 Registered: 7-2008 |
The temple was previously destroyed around the year 587 B.C. You can read about it in 2Kings 24-25. Afterward the jews were in Babylonian Exile for about 70 years, after which the Temple was rebuilt(see book of Ezra about the rebuilding of the temple in jerusalem). I hope this helps you. i am not well versed in history. Animal | ||
| Mommamayi Registered user Username: Mommamayi Post Number: 676 Registered: 12-2007  |
She was farther down the timeline. The whole thing with Antiochus happened before Christ. Interesting that Jesus, as a Jew, would have celebrated the Festival of Lights/Hanukkah. Why didn't He take the opportunity to make sure we understood that it was not that festival that fulfilled the 2300 day prophecy, but that a future event, nearly 2,000 years into the future, would fulfill it (in 1844)? | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 762 Registered: 5-2007 |
I hope you had a private talk with your kids, explaining that such things are equivalent to Gods view of satan worship. Disgusting. | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 1395 Registered: 11-2005 |
Leigh Ann, Wow! Just trying to follow your SIL's narrative makes me dizzy! Your precious family is in our prayers! No wonder Adventists can't keep their own theology straight! Mommamayi, that is a great question! Gilbert | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1300 Registered: 6-2006 |
Thanks everyone for your replies! Okay, so what did that temple have to do with Daniel? She talked about the temple, Daniel, and the S,M&A all in the same breath. Leigh Anne Larry, when we got home and I tucked them into bed I made sure to tell them that the history of the temple is okay and symbolic, but we don't need all that because we have Jesus, and Jesus is all we need. I then drilled them on the definition of the gospel! | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 1396 Registered: 11-2005 |
Leigh Anne, I looked at questions 18 and 19 at http://www.messiahsmansion.com/Studies/Lesson_2.html, and I agree. Their conclusion makes no sense. Question 19, for example, says, "Why didn’t God start with the heavenly sanctuary? And why stretch it out over such a long time?" There answer is Proverbs 4:18 - The path of the just is like the shining sun, that shines ever brighter unto the perfect day.Talk about a lame answer! And then they want us to somehow leap to the following conclusion! My Response: I appreciate that Christ, my High Priest, ministers for my salvation in the Heavenly Sanctuary.I wonder how they explain where heaven is, and how Christ's body is the fullfilment of the earthly veil? (Hebrews 10:20) My heart goes out to you, my dear Christian sister. All I can do is shake my head. This is as bad as the stuff that some of my relatives come up with! Keep up your courage. The Bible makes a whole lot more sense! Gilbert | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 9035 Registered: 12-2003  |
Interestingly, in Matthew 24 during His discourse on the signs of the end, JEsus again refers to the "abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel" (v. 15) and says that when people see that, they should flee. He was apparently foreshadowing a still future fulfillment of that prophecy, and apparently it was connected to the AD 70 destruction of Jerusalem and perhaps even to some still-unfulfilled future event. The OT prophecies can actually have sequential fulfillments. Clearly Antiochus Epiphanes was the first fulfillment of that prophecy, but Jesus implied there would be more. The Adventists never really make sense when they talk about prophecy. I remember feeling lots of anticipation the summer before my senior year at WWC because I was registered to take Daniel and The Revelation from the chairman of the theology dept, Gordon Ballharrie (who has long since retired). I was SO disappointed; the class was confusing, unclear, and it seemed we never really "got anywhere". The texts and connections made no sense, and I left not only as confused as I entered, but disillusioned as well. If Dr Ballharrie couldn't explain things, how could I ever hope to "get it"? Obviously, I couldn't! Colleen | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 6030 Registered: 3-2004  |
Don't feel bad about not getting it, Colleen. I never got it either. I know you do not feel bad now and neither do I. Diana | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1301 Registered: 6-2006 |
My SIL was speaking so quickly that it was hard to catch everything. Several times she referred to the 10 C's as "God's Law", to which I replied "Do you mean the Law of Moses?" and she corrected me, "No, God's Law, the 10 commandments. This is God's Law." Every time it came up (and I imagine that we got the deluxe 10 commandment tour) I caught my inlaws whipping their heads in my direction. It got to be comical, as I'm sure they were hurting the next day. A dear old friend (who happened to be an SDA pastor) reminded me "If you argue with a fool, that makes you a fool!" And I get to spend Thanksgiving with the owners of Messiah's Mansion. Whoopee! Leigh Anne | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 6033 Registered: 3-2004 |
Leigh Anne, that verse the SDA pastor quoted is Prov. 26:4. I got it, by God incidence, in an email the last time I talked to a sister that can be very mean to me. When I read that verse I knew why God did not give me an answer to give back to her. I love that verse. Diana L | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 1398 Registered: 11-2005 |
Leigh Ann, I wish I could be a fly on the wall. I know you are more than up to the task. That is hillarious. Do your relatives keep all the feast days of Leviticus 23, or just some of them? After all they can't share in the blessing if they don't participate. What about the ones that God says are to be everlasting? Do they believe the Bible where it says, "This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live"? <grin> Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Mommamayi Registered user Username: Mommamayi Post Number: 677 Registered: 12-2007 |
Enjoy your tofurky! | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 6036 Registered: 3-2004 |
Hey, I am having ham and turkey with friends and all the trimmings. No tofurky for me!!! Diana L |
