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| Randyg Registered user Username: Randyg Post Number: 478 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hey Larry, You can have anonymous posting rights on this forum. Right River? | ||
| Randyg Registered user Username: Randyg Post Number: 479 Registered: 12-2004 |
Grace, Your post struck a cord with me as I think you absolutely nailed the problem. Most Adventists (not all) see no problem with the CW precisely because it spells out exactly what they have been taught all along regarding what the Bible means, even if it is not what it says. Lets face it, for the typical Adventist, if they have a question on a Bible verse, where do they go? The Adventist Commentaries, or an Ellen White book. Most have not been taught to analyze Scripture unbiasedly, and have been taught all along to not even question the Church's official positions and understandings. Just as Gilbert's historic friend so aptly pointed out, we run the risk of losing our salvation, not by questioning Scripture, but rather by questioning Ellen White. As she makes clear, questioning her is the beginning of the slippery slope to perdition. Gilbert, I don't think Ellen or James would be rolling over in their graves at the publication of the Clear Word. I think they would be nursing tight coffin concussions from vigorously nodding their heads in approval. I also suspect there would be some regret about missed royalties, and the hand to the forehead, with why didn't we think of that. I also might suggest they would be considering a major testimony to Jack for "borrowing" their ideas. Peace all, Randy | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1508 Registered: 9-2006  |
Randy, I think you got that hide nailed to the barn door.  River | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2166 Registered: 10-2004  |
That second quote that Loneviking posted actually comes from EGW:
You're right, River, that it totally denies that the Bible is the Word of God. But as you can see, EGW came up with an (disingenuous) "explanation" as to why they could still call it "the word of God" (and thus sound Christian)! Randy, you totally nailed it. Ellen and James corrupted the Word of God themselves--they would applaud what Blanco has done. Colleen, notice that Blanco omitted worshipping God in "truth" from John 4:24 also. He replaced "truth" with "how honest and sincere we are"!!! Jeremy | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1510 Registered: 9-2006 |
I tried to make heads and tails out of the quotes you gave from Selected Messages, Book 1, page 21, paragraphs 1-2. It bears a touch of insanity, while I don't believe "mechanical writing" isn't that the right words Jeremy? Was used in the writing of the Bible, they are not saying that either, what they seem to be saying is that man was sort of nudged by God to write what he (man)wanted to. Or at least some such nonesense, so I guess according to what they are saying it's like reading a road sign through a wall of fog. What I really think is that all of these writings were caused from inspired drivel. It's starting to make me sound crazy just trying to analyze what they wrote. River | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 209 Registered: 5-2007 |
I would say that most sda's see the Bible as a Rorschach inkblot test, but with words. (paraphrase from another writer) | ||
| Gcfrankie Registered user Username: Gcfrankie Post Number: 46 Registered: 1-2007 |
If the CW is not recognized by the church then why is it so widely advertised in all of their publications such as the Quarterly and Gleaner and stores as you walk in? The only reason I can see for it is so their members who do not have all the writings of EGW or can't afford her books only need to buy one and have it at their finger tips. On LAM there is an article written by Dr.V.Streifling on the Deliberate Distortions In SDA'S "Clear Word Bible." I down loaded it and it is very clear in the distortions and goes verse by verse and I did not even realize all the changes made. It is a real eve-opener. Gail | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 211 Registered: 5-2007 |
Yep, you don't see ads in the Quarterlies for the JW bible do you? Wow Jeremy, those are some prizewinning quotes! (Message edited by Larry on September 23, 2007) | ||
| Susans Registered user Username: Susans Post Number: 508 Registered: 8-2006 |
The Clear Word is for those who either don't have or don't read the writings of EGW. There you have them right inside the verses themselves! What an improvement from the old KJV study bible with her writings in the margins! It's the church's way of keeping members, in my opinion. It's an abomination. Susan | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6862 Registered: 12-2003  |
Larry, I love the Balaam's donkey question, too! I'm going to hijack it, also, if the opportunity arises with my SDA family... Ooh, you're right, Jeremy--TCW does replace "truth" with "sincerity" and "honesty". Grace, you're right, I believe--SDAs can't see the problems because they are reading from inside the SDA deception. I know that now I see problems in TCW that I couldn't have seen as an Adventist because (praise God!) my worldview has changed and has a completely sovereign God at the center instead of human will. Absolutely everything changes when we're not the ultimate value in the universe! River, once again you've nailed the problem. The more I see, the more deeply convinced I am that Adventism (the "ism", not the individual people) is evil and completely dangerous. It gives people a look-alike gospel and a look-alike Jesus, but they have only superficial similarity to the Real ones. Again, I am reminded of what a friend said to me recently, the problem with a cult is that it not only teaches you error, but it makes it impossible actually to find/recognize truth in order to learn it. (Barring a miracle of intervention, that is!) Colleen | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 212 Registered: 5-2007 |
Darn tootin Susans. Strychnine for the soul. Colleen, you can spring this one on your family too: According to Luke 19:40, if we fail to praise Him, the very rocks will cry out. You 'spose that is from thought inspiration as well? hee hee! maybe they are sda rocks. If Jesus can make a donkey talk, and make an angry stormy ocean do what He wants, I am pretty sure he could make rocks talk. Not a problem for Him. Actually, the sda's have to admit to you that Jesus could have made the rocks in the wilderness turn into Harvest Grain loaves of bread, complete with double plastic wrap! Let me tell you all the ONLY thing that would help every single sda person (against their will). Build 16,000,000 bamboo prisoner-of-war style cages, insert an sda into each and every cage. Pipe in only a real Bible, plus unlimited forcefeeding of ellenwhite.org for at least two full years. Nobody gets to step out of line. Double it if they give you any static! You would see a huge turnaround. Now the very reason any of this would actually work is because you would be de-programming them, which is proof enough that they are immersed in a cult. Somebody is gonna come at me and say "but Larry, they are under Satans control". OK then, all bets are off. But I still like the bamboo cage idea! (Message edited by Larry on September 23, 2007) | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 206 Registered: 5-2007  |
Larry, I have an additional idea. Put those cages north of the Artic Circle, take away their watches and calenders and then let them try and figure out what day is the Sabbath. Phil  | ||
| Snowboardingmom Registered user Username: Snowboardingmom Post Number: 350 Registered: 11-2005 |
Randy, yes I believe James and Ellen would be delighted, too. For once their "inspiration" would go in line with what the "bible" (TCW definitely deserves a small "b"--I can't even capitalize it!) said. I won't comment on the rolling in their graves or coffin concussion (which made me laugh), as my opinions on where they're really at, is...well...anyway... Grace (Message edited by snowboardingmom on September 23, 2007) | ||
| Steve Registered user Username: Steve Post Number: 37 Registered: 7-2000 |
Testing. Been a while. Just a test. Talk later. Steve | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 842 Registered: 11-2005 |
I personally feel that we can be more effective "inoculating" Christians against Seventh-day Adventism, than we can in rescuing existing Seventh-day Adventists against their will. In most cases they have been so brainwashed that a tremendous amount of effort has to be expended to get them past their initial stage of denial. An aggressive coordinated program of educating every Christian pastor about Seventh-day Adventism. This would definitely put Seventh-day Adventism on the defensive, and in the process most likely wake up many more Seventh-day Adventists to the truth, than a hit-and-miss buckshot approach. We can do this town by town, city by city, state by state, country by country. This is not our war. It is God's war. We are just His messengers. We have within our ranks former Seventh-day Adventists that will have the needed expertise to layout a nationwide program that would put a copy of "The Truth About The Adventist Truth" in every pastor's hands. This would most certainly also create a "secondary wave" of awareness by the Christian community as articles get published in Christianity Today about the cultic nature of Seventh-day Adventism. Public opinion is the Seventh-day Adventist jugular vein. Another part of this second wave would be to make sure that anywhere Mormonism and the Jehovah's Witnesses are listed as cults, that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is included. I think the key to stopping Seventh-day Adventism's continuing deception, is to educate and inoculate the public. Church pastors will be the most effective contact point in the Christian community. Don't think for a moment that Seventh-day Adventism will lay down and die with out a struggle to the death. It is an organization based on power and money whose first order of the day is self-survival. Fear not! We have a Leader who is more powerful. If God is with us, who can be against us? The truth is the road to freedom. Gilbert Jorgensen It has been 162 Years, 11 Months, and 1 Day since October 22, 1844 | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 213 Registered: 5-2007 |
Haha Phil, very funny! But then you'd have to supply them with light sweaters Again Gilbert, you are very right. The protestant world needs a good vaccination against this threat. And you are right about God being with us, who can be against us? I do like the jugular vein theory. Will mull that over! People, please get yourself a box of Dales Truth books and start visiting churches in your area, making the acquaintance of each pastor and get a booklet into their hands. Thank you. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1514 Registered: 9-2006 |
I think I tried to order eight and couldn't get them or something, I was out of town when Dale or someone from down there called and my wife wiped the message out before I got a chance to hear it. I am going to call the number he left this morning and see what the problem is. Colleen, do you know anything about the availability of the books? I am all primed to do just that Larry. Thing about it is, I live in a small community and so I only need 8 or ten. River River | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1515 Registered: 9-2006 |
Ditto to what you said Larry, the protestant world does need a “vaccination”. Also though, I don’t know about you folks, but I think the protestant Pastors need to be aware of the special needs of the former Adventist who might come out of Adventism looking for a church. We need to pray for a great harvest here folks, we need to look to God to bring them out, the longer I am in this thing the more I realize that I can really do nothing, I can’t break those chains but God can. I am determined to yield to his power and just do what he wants me to and not try to take it into my own hands. So I encourage that as we go we not forget the ones coming out of Adventism and try to be prepared to minister to them in any special needs they might have. Last night at church we had a missionary to Spain and through out the whole service I really felt the anointing and presence of the Holy Spirit in that service and a long toward the end the Pastor and the missionary ask for those to come forward for prayer that needed prayer and I really felt led of the Holy Spirit to go up and have them pray for my ministry and I did. Jesus is the Lord of the harvest, he creates the harvest, we are just workers for the Lord of the harvest and we will reap the benefit if we work in his harvest. So this morning I am looking to him, more determined to be a minute by minute worker in his harvest. Jim, I haven’t forgotten you, I pray that the Lord will bless you in his word today and all the rest of you that struggle with questions and those looking for a good church home like Berit, my heart is with you all. I pray for each of you. The missionary made a remark last night that it never ceases to amaze him at the way God puts the most unlikely people in a position of ministry. I so resonated with that, five years ago I couldn’t have told you the difference between an Adventist and a waffle iron and if anybody would have said “Former” I would have thought they were talking about a “former inmate” at some prison or something. (that really wouldn’t have been for off would it?) He brought out the scripture Corinthians II 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. May the power of Christ rest on me as I go to these different Pastors and also as I talk to Adventist whom God puts in my path. May his power rest on you as you go. May he give us a harvest of souls. River | ||
| Patriar Registered user Username: Patriar Post Number: 422 Registered: 3-2005 |
I think you guys make an very good point that the amount of energy expended to show an Adventist error is huge when they don't want to hear it. However, when the Spirit has awakened their spirit, except for the breath it takes to get the words out, the process is effortless. I've seen that happen twice now in the past year. Two ladies came to us with questions and lo and behold, not more than weeks later, they were disengaged from Adventism and attending our wonderful church. They are continuing to seek out God's Truth. (I keep telling them it's not fair that they got on the "Fast Track".) We just cannot rush God. It really will be done in His time. When He decides to call one out, they come. I don't know how that all comes together with election and human choice, but I'm just telling you what I see happening. We don't have to take on the burden of getting people at the right time with the right words. God will provide the people and He'll provide the words. That's not to say quit talking! I keep on talking. It's just to try and take the frustration out of dealing with the closed minds. They won't be opened until God works a very real miracle. Even of those whose spirits are already awakened it may take awhile for them to admit the error of the church and therefore their ways. It's a humbling process as we all well know. Distributing "The Truth" books to Christian churches is such a great idea! I have a about 10 copies in my hands as we speak! Hopefully by the end of the week they'll be in someone else's. Patria | ||
| Patriar Registered user Username: Patriar Post Number: 423 Registered: 3-2005 |
River: I should have just waited! Your post wasn't up when I started working on mine. Patria |
