| Author | Message | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 830 Registered: 11-2005 |
Ellen White chastised others for having photographs -- "idols" she called them, along with the usual stern denunciation calling down the wrath of God on both them, and their "picture idols". Let's see how Ellen White applied what God showed her to her own life. The inflation calculator at http://www.westegg.com/inflation/ shows that "$500 in 1876 would cost $8861.80 in 2006" In article 9 of her will, she leaves her "picture idols" for her two sons! Even though SDAs in Norway were following her advice and actually burning and destroying their own photographs, there is no evidence that EGW ever destroyed one of hers. Obviously she didn't follow the advice God gave her, because photographs and photo albums of herself, her husband, children, family and friends are still on display at "Elmshaven " and in the millions of books distributed around the world. The Ellen G. White Estate Website show "picture idols" of Ellen White and her family, early church leaders and workers. They proudly announce a database of 1200 of these photos. http://www.whiteestate.org/photos/photos.asp References: http://truthorfables.com/EGW_Picture_Idols.htm http://www.ellenwhite.org/egw25.htm http://www.truthorfables.com/EGW_Will.htm http://www.westegg.com/inflation/ http://www.ellenwhite.org/canright/can11.htm http://www.truthorfables.com/The_Desirer_of_Wages.htm The truth is the road to freedom. Gilbert Jorgensen It has been 162 Years, 10 Months, and 29 Days since October 22, 1844 | ||
| Randyg Registered user Username: Randyg Post Number: 475 Registered: 12-2004 |
Well Gilbert, it does appear to again be a case of do as I say, not as I do. Already I am feeling a little bit less guilty about my new Nikon camera. In the first quote above I do note that I have something in common with Ellen White though.... Sometimes in the night I am also sorely distressed. No doubt that cheese sandwich I didn't need right before bed!! | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2162 Registered: 10-2004  |
And in 1886, she actually got upset with those who said that photographs were idolatry:
Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on September 20, 2007) | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 831 Registered: 11-2005 |
Randy, You have a great sense of humor! I must confess that I eat an occasional egg or two. So far it hasn't overwhelmed my "animal organs". Perhaps that is because it is summer, and I don't have to wear a hockey cap right now. Gilbert | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6829 Registered: 12-2003  |
Randy, you just enjoy that new Nikon! Awesome! (I do think a cheese sandwich is good preparation for a spate of picture-taking...) Gilbert and Jeremy, awesome quotes—it seems once again that we have "pick and choose" advice. She said something to counteract every decision a person could make, didn't she? Awesome! An "equal opportunity" messenger—everyone's tastes are equally thwarted... I think I need coffee... Colleen | ||
| Randyg Registered user Username: Randyg Post Number: 476 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hey Colleen, after the barrage of incoming I took on the White Estate hunting thread for my comments about my Adventist brothers and sisters, I think I will join you for coffee. In fact maybe something a little stronger might be in order. But then again this is also an "equal opportunity" forum. If we all agreed on everything, what fun would that be? Randy | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 818 Registered: 7-2004  |
And some call that a "balanced" approach. | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 197 Registered: 5-2007  |
Having read the details concerning people like Canright and John Harvey Kellogg, it seems to me it was more like staying in control by crushing everybody under you. Never mind that many of your (Ellen's) messages contradicted each other. Control, money and power was the name of the game. Truth had nothing to do with it. Phil | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6839 Registered: 12-2003 |
Amen to that, Phil. Colleen | ||
| Susans Registered user Username: Susans Post Number: 505 Registered: 8-2006 |
Phil, You are so right! I've long ago come to the conclusion that EGW knew exactly what she was doing. The poor woman who was manipulated by those around her and who had a temporal brain injury just doesn't cut it for me. She was calculating, shrewd, vicious, and controlling. She murdered people's reputations if they crossed her. Susan | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 535 Registered: 5-2002 |
Comparing the quotes provided by Jorgfe and Jeremy, I get theological whiplash. Witness: Sometime in 1900: "I thank you with much pleasure as I look into my memorial. It is a beautiful reminder of my friends, and it came so unexpectedly to us. I appreciate it more than anything my friends could give me. It is so beautifully gotten up, and it has so great a variety and expresses so much skill and taste and beauty. . . . I thank you all who have so freely bound up your heart with my heart.--Letter 190, 1900." (Ellen G. White: The Early Elmshaven Years Volume 5 1900-1905, pages 18-20.) January 1901 (no more than 12 months after the above quote, probably less): ""Every true child of God will be sifted as wheat, and in the sifting process every cherished pleasure which diverts the mind from God must be sacrificed. In many families the mantel-shelves, stands, and tables are filled with ornaments and pictures. Albums, filled with photographs of the family and the photographs of their friends, are placed where they will attract the attention of visitors. ....Is this not a species of idolatry?" Bible Echo and Signs of the Times, January 14, 1901, paragraph 1. Article Title: No Other Gods Before Me. I find it quite telling that Ellen's "Instructor" didn't point out her own album! | ||
| Olga Registered user Username: Olga Post Number: 87 Registered: 11-2005 |
I wonder What she would say about the evils of Scrapbooking... | ||
| Jeremiah Registered user Username: Jeremiah Post Number: 288 Registered: 1-2004  |
This redefines the term "iconoclast".  Jeremiah | ||
| Randyg Registered user Username: Randyg Post Number: 477 Registered: 12-2004 |
Olga, When you bring up subjects like scrapbooking, cross stitching, and quilting.....I have found it is best to lay low....and in silence!! Often times maybe just assume the fetal position, or play dead. These are all, yes dear, and isnt that beautiful, or, oh my what detail....situations. Oh the hours whiled away, and the money spent.... I'm joking ladies.....and you closet guy cross stitchers!! | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 834 Registered: 11-2005 |
Phil, you should read http://www.giveshare.org/churchhistory/historysdcog/index.html#toc It is fascinating to read about how the "White party" rose to power and dominated the early group of Advent believers. James and Ellen White really "played" off of each other! What is obvious is that James orgaqnizational skills combined with their frentic publishing was a huge benefit to them. And then Ellen's visions were not only made the test, but also "came through" at just the right time. It definitely helped for James to be married to a "prophet"! It's absolutely captivating reading for those with an Adventist heritage. This is the story the White Estate won't ever tell you! The truth is the road to freedom. Gilbert Jorgensen It has been 162 Years, 10 Months, and 30 Days since October 22, 1844 | ||
| Maggiethecat Registered user Username: Maggiethecat Post Number: 20 Registered: 7-2007  |
Hehe Olga. My sister has recently got me into beading (jewellery, suncatchers and the like). I dread to think what would be made of that among my old church acquaintances! Maree | ||
| 91steps Registered user Username: 91steps Post Number: 177 Registered: 8-2005  |
Wonder what she would think of the EG White Memorial at the GC? Or should I say EGW shrine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
