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| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 706 Registered: 11-2005 |
From this we learn that Ellen taught that: 1. Adam and Eve sinned 2. Sorrow fills heaven 3. Jesus displays an expression of sympathy and sorrow 4. Three times Jesus approaches the bright light that enshrouds the Father 5. The anxiety of the angels seemed to be intense while Jesus was communing with His Father. 6. He then made known to the angelic choir that a way of escape had been made for lost man; that He had been pleading with His Father, and had obtained permission to give His own life as a ransom for the race. 7. The heavenly choir sang a song of praise and adoration. They touched their harps and sang a note higher than they had done before. 8. Said the angel, "Think ye that the Father yielded up His dearly beloved Son without a struggle? No, no." It was even a struggle with the God of heaven, whether to let guilty man perish, or to give His darling Son to die for them. Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 151 Registered: 5-2007 |
9. Peter told a falsehood (according to egw): He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 1 Peter 1:20 10. Paul learned to lie from Peter (according to egw): For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. Ephesians 1:4 Though she corrected her doctrine in 1890, 1898, and 1899, she could not change the fact that she had “SEEN in vision” the plan being made after the fall of man! Give me one good reason anyone from the 1851 era needed to wait around for 40 years for her to "correct" a vision! Anyone was free to turn their back and walk away from this outfit as soon as they heard this lying vision. Beware of false prophets! Matt 24:24: For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles (even visions) to deceive even the elect - if that were possible. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2112 Registered: 10-2004  |
Gilbert, thanks for posting that. The paragraph where her "jesus-god" goes in to "visit" the "father-god" is even worse in Early Writings than the version in Spiritual Gifts that I have on my website that I'm putting together. I think I'll use the Early Writings version instead. Jeremy | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 890 Registered: 1-2003 |
The plan of salvation according to EGW was made into a play called "Angels Aware". My children were involved in acting out this bit of heresy for Christmas one year. The non-SDA's whose children attended the school must have thought...what the hell?! No one seemed to mind that it portrayed Jesus as an angel who went to beg God to be allowed to save man. Sick. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6736 Registered: 12-2003  |
Gilbert, amazing quote. There's another thing it reveals: ___________________________ "He then made known to the angelic choir that a way of escape had been made for lost man; that He had been pleading with His Father, and had obtained permission to give His own life as a ransom for the race, to bear their sins, and take the sentence of death upon Himself, thus opening a way whereby they might, through the merits of His blood, find pardon for past transgressions, and by obedience be brought back to the garden from which they were driven. Then they could again have access to the glorious, immortal fruit of the tree of life to which they had now forfeited all right." _____________________________ Buried inside this heretical myth of a bodliy Jesus approaching the Father while the angels waited in anxiety, she declares her completely unbiblical view of salvation: Jesus' blood makes is possible to be cleansed from past sins, and by obedience they could eventually attain paradise (the garden) again. You know, the more objectively I'm able to see her "stuff", the more heinous it appears. She was a false prophet. Period. Colleen | ||
| Schasc Registered user Username: Schasc Post Number: 76 Registered: 10-2004 |
Does anyone have any quotes from "Steps to Christ"? I have been talking with a friend and he is a very big EG white defender and is currently reading the book. I was going to talk to him about it, but did not want to read the whole book to make my point about her errors. | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 155 Registered: 5-2007 |
Shasc, This link may save you a little time, but you still need to do some footwork. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2118 Registered: 10-2004 |
Despite common misperceptions to the contrary (even among former Adventists), the book Steps to Christ is not a good book and does not teach the true Gospel, but instead teaches a false gospel of salvation by faith plus works throughout, among other heresies. Here are a few quotes showing the false gospel taught in the book:
Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on September 07, 2007) | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6747 Registered: 12-2003 |
Wow, Jeremy--I actually have trouble focussing when I read those quotes. I read Steps to Christ more than once as an Adventist. After my divorce I turned to Bible study in a deeper way, determined to figure out what God wanted of me and to become "better". Along with reading more Bible, I turned back to Ellen and tried to immerse myself deeply in Steps to Christ and Thoughts from the Mount of Blessing. I read slowly and with great determination, trying to "take it in" and get the "big picture". I always had trouble concentrating when I read Ellen, and Ihad a lot of trouble remembering what I had read. Even when I was able to concentrate, I found myself fairly confused and/or sort-of helpless. How, for instance, does one "maintain this connection with Christ by faith and the continula surrender of your will to Hinm; and so long as you do this, He will work in you to will and to do according to His good pleasure..."???? I would read those words and others, and feel like I had no more clue after reading than I had before about how to accomplish this "maintenance" and consistent surrender of my will. I struggled then—and always—with zoning out when I read Ellen. She always felt disquieting, boring, and daunting. I felt guilt about it, and I felt somehow flawed. So tonight I'm reading your SC quotes above, and I'm finding that same old zoning, lack-of-comprehension thing happening...I'm realizing that it wasn't my fatal flaw that was to blame. The stuff is confusion and subtle but profound heresy. NO WONDER it was so bewildering in its "piety"! Colleen | ||
| Maggiethecat Registered user Username: Maggiethecat Post Number: 15 Registered: 7-2007  |
That's really interesting Colleen because I felt the same when reading Ellen White, particularly Steps to Christ. When I was in the church I was told many times what a great book it was and what a blessing I would get if I read it, but try as I might, I just couldn't read it. I started it several times with the best of intentions but never made it even close to half way through the book. Maree | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 1041 Registered: 10-2002  |
I've had the same thing reading EGW! (Isn't THIS like an AA-meeting!) The mere title of the book really says a lot, I think, "Steps to Christ"... It is like her famous vision when she saw God's people on a stairway to heaven (cue Led Zeppelin) with people falling off here and there. The implication of the title is that "Christ" is not easy enough -- so here are these "steps" to reach Him. The whole problem of believing the Bible is too difficult (and Ellen the simple interpretor) is illustrated in that title, "Steps to Christ". Through that title, Ellen's "position" is illustrated as an interpretor of Christ or "go-between" between us and Christ. It suggests that we must get "to" Christ -- instead of the Gospel which says that Christ has come to us. It puts Him at a distance and lays the burden of reaching Him at our feet -- and Ellen will show you the simple steps of how to get to Him. | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 1042 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ugh!! I suddenly remembered the many packagings and different covers and unmarked versions of STC that were put out year after year! Even visualizing the book in all its incarnations just screams "CULT!" to me now. It was the greatest "tool" of SDA evangelism because it sounded the most grace-full or gospel and spoke of His love more than any of her other work. It was like we were drug-dealers and STC was our gateway drug, our marijuana, through which we hoped to lure people to more hardcore drugs -- to more solid Adventism. | ||
| Susans Registered user Username: Susans Post Number: 494 Registered: 8-2006 |
It is funny that even though I read tons of her stuff, I couldn't get through such a small volume as well. Interesting our common experiences. Of course, I know what current SDA's would say to that. Ha! Hey, Ramone, what an appropriate analogy about SC being a gateway book to the more hardcore Adventism! Susan | ||
| Cloudy Registered user Username: Cloudy Post Number: 47 Registered: 7-2007 |
I thought that the title "Steps to Christ" indicated that the book was intended as a "how to" manual for salvation. As a teenager longing for the assurance that God loved me and accepted me, I read that book for the first time. I got hung up on the chapter on repentance; it seemed like it was saying that my repentance was something that I needed to bring to God in order for him to accept me. I did not feel like I had repented enough to go on to the next "step", so I spent some time depressed in the knowledge that I was lost because I could not change my heart and God had not chosen to change it for me. What good news it was to find that repentance is not a work which I must perfectly complete in order to be accepted by God and that I can trust God with my heart at all times. I now repent of looking to that book for salvation, and giving it away as a gift. Even though this book is one of the best known and distributed books by EGW, I cannot think of ever hearing about anyone (personally or second hand or even in a sermon, etc.) saying that they came to a saving relationship to Christ as a result of reading this book. The "steps" in this book do not lead to Christ. Perhaps Ramone's explanation as to why it is so widely distributed is correct, but it makes me sad, as if tainted food is being distributed to the hungry. (Message edited by Cloudy on September 08, 2007) | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2122 Registered: 10-2004 |
I believe it was pointed out by someone in a really old thread on here that in the book Steps to Christ, EGW quotes the first half of John 3:16, but NEVER the second half. She quotes the first half of the verse ("God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son.") two times in the book, but NEVER quotes the second half (", that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.") anywhere in the entire book! It is very disturbing to me that the following is still on ellenwhite.org:
Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on September 08, 2007) | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 4281 Registered: 3-2004  |
When my Mom was alive, she lived in a retirement community in Loma Linda. She used to buy copies of Step to Christ and give them to people or leave them where some one could find it. Poor deceived soul. I love her much. Diana | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 116 Registered: 4-2007 |
Fascinating! I read the 'Five Red Books' with no problem but I simply could not get past just a few pages of STC, and I tried several times - I thought it was just me! JONVIL |
