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| Sara Registered user Username: Sara Post Number: 25 Registered: 5-2007 |
Anyone else here use instaverse? Just point cursor on a text on a post here, like this John 10:10, or even Matthew 11, and the whole text comes up. Its free for KJV version River! Other translations cost. Anyone know a free instant verse for other translations? I also like Bible Gateway for research, free also. Here are links: http://www.biblegateway.com http://www.InstaVerse.com The only real pain is when someone puts a text in the subject line of a thread, almost impossible to open! Sara | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1149 Registered: 9-2006  |
Hey, thats pretty neat, I just downloaded and installed it, Hey thanks!! If any of you ever wonder why I use scripture references mostly from the King James Bible it is because when I first was saved all I had or all anybody else ever had was a King James Bible. I have Bible software of several versions on my computer, But my memory coughs it up in King James so it is faster by far for me to search for the scripture in King James. Early on I read where God will bring all things to our remembrance so I took him at his word and proceeded to read his word most prayerfully, he is true to his word, he just gives it in the King Jame version of thee's and thou's. So it is just easier to cut and paste from the version I looked it up in. Actually the New King Jame version has become my all out favorite study Bible, backed up by Zondervans Amplified Bible. But the great thing about that is I am just as comfortable with the King James as the rest, kind of like being equally fluent in two languages. Thanks again Sara! River | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 693 Registered: 6-2006  |
River, I'm glad someone can understand King James, because seriously, it might as well be Greek to me! Haha My husband's grandpa used to pray in King James (Before he went "to sleep") and it drove me nuts! I would ask my hubby if that's the only language that the Lord understands...  Leigh Anne | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6388 Registered: 12-2003  |
Haha, Leigh Anne! As a former-but-never-out-of-my-blood English teacher, I have a conviction that if teachers really insisted that their students read Shakespeare in its original King James English, the KJV wouldn't be so obscure. Conversely, if young students had to do a certain amount of class assignments (preferrably in English class) that used KJV texts in the exercises, Shakespeare wouldn't seem like a lost legacy. The use of KJV texts in English grammar sentences is one of the details I liked about the A-Beka curriculum...but I digress! Colleen | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 799 Registered: 7-2004  |
Isn't the KJV less accurate than some of the newer translations, such as NASB for one? If the KJV is already a practically different language compared to today's English, AND it's less accurate because older manuscripts were later found and/or there's more collaboration between ancient language specialists all over the world today, why would anyone be so anxious to stick with the KJV? | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 694 Registered: 6-2006 |
Colleen, you make a good point about Shakespeare. I never thought about it that way, but you're right, KJV wouldn't seem so obscure if kids were used to Shakespeare already. Vice Versa as well. I've always wished I could understand both! Raven, I've heard the same thing. In fact, RC Sproul mentioned in one of his books that the translators of the KJV took the liberty to omit or change certain words or phrases that were considered blasphemous for them to say at that time. I would much rather have a more current translation. Leigh Anne | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6395 Registered: 12-2003 |
Yes, Raven, you're right. And I don't read the KJV for my own study. My feelings about it are more "historical/literary". It was the Bible many of grew up on—I learned all my childhood memory verses in KJV, so I sometimes have trouble locating texts because I know the wording in the KJV! But what I leaerned that I think is really interesting is that the KJV, when it was printed in 1610, is considered historically one of the most significant literay events in the history of the English language. It's printing came right near the end of Shakespeare's life, and it is Elizabethan English just as Shakespeare was. English had been evolving for years from French, Anglo-Saxon, and Latin influences, and it was not a completely consistent language from one British Isle location to the next. The printing of the KJV standardized the English language, and total secularists admit that the KJV was the most significant literary contribution of its time because of the massive effect it had on the English language. Because of its significance, because our language has been shaped by Elizabethan English, I see being able to understand the KJV as being significant from a historical standpoint. Isn't it just awesome that it was the Word of God translated into the vernacular language of Britain that standardized the language for millions and millions of people from then on?! God is SO in control! Colleen | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1160 Registered: 9-2006 |
Raven, the word of God is spiritually discerned, you speak as if the KJV was weak in some way and defective which it was not,it has stood the test of time in feeding and leading the people of God and bringing them to Christ, it has stood true for correction, for doctrine, for reproof to those who would prayerfully study to show himself approved a workman unto God. It has won billions to Christ I dare say. If one is more comfortable with it and its Elizabethan English I don't think he will be hurt to bad, personally I am just as comfortable with both nasb, nkjv and kjv as a pig in the sunshine. River River | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 698 Registered: 6-2006 |
River, I'm not Raven, but I do know that there is kind of an issue with SDA's and the KJV. Personally I've gotten the stink-eye from SDA relatives because I've carried an NIV around and again, in their eyes it's "WRONG!" There's nothing at all wrong with the KJV, however preaching that it's the ONLY version for real Christians isn't right either. Top that off with mixing EGW into and you've got something close to hog slop. Leigh Anne | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 800 Registered: 7-2004 |
Yes, thankfully the word of God is spiritually discerned. I was only trying to convey that the KJV is not as precise as some of the newer translations, and it has caused some problems. For example, Daniel 8:14 in the KJV says days, where most newer translations more precisely say evenings and mornings. Obviously there are many other reasons not to accept the SDA interpretation of Daniel 8:14 without considering days versus evenings and mornings. While I do prefer as high of accuracy as possible, you make an excellent point that spiritual discernment is really what counts. And there has to be, because barely anyone today comprehends the original language. I still find it aggravating when someone insists their theology is correct because the KJV had it right and the newer translations can't be trusted. In reality, the newer translations are probably more accurate, but it won't make much difference without the spiritual discernment there. | ||
| Leigh Registered user Username: Leigh Post Number: 179 Registered: 2-2003 |
Sara, I like using Blue Letter Bible http://www.blueletterbible.org/ | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1983 Registered: 10-2004  |
Another good site is http://www.studylight.org/ Jeremy | ||
| Sara Registered user Username: Sara Post Number: 27 Registered: 5-2007 |
Leigh and Jeremy, Thanks for the links! I finally got a wireless keyboard, and now I can lean back in my chair, put the keyboard in my lap, and type, research away... In all my free time---------- River, I love KJV language. It sooths me. I memorized texts in KJV when I was an adventist growing up. I love hearing KJV read aloud. Interesting points Colleen. You are ever the gifted teacher! One of the ways God has redeemed time in adventism is the memorization of scripture I did as an adventist---you know, to get ready for living in caves and all during the end times. My family still has a couple years worth of freeze dried food in the garage, for the time of trouble. Amazing. They also have MRE's, surplus rations they somehow purchased! sara | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6402 Registered: 12-2003 |
Sara, you make me laugh! Yes, it's true—SDA theology has trouble hanging together well (not that it hangs together WITH the KJV, for that matter...)without the KJV. The interpretations of Daniel 8 as found in the KJV are the TRUE scriptural support for the Investigative judgment—"unto 2300 days, and then shall the sanctuary be cleansed..." That word "cleansed" validates the idea of Jesus beginning his heavenly sanctuary work. It's complicated, but it's definitely tied together with the KJV interpretation of Danile 8:14. Colleen | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1161 Registered: 9-2006 |
Raven, Leigh and all, I see the problem now, and I can totally sympathize with you when it comes to the King James only-ers. My older brother and I are both Christian and we love to discuss the things of God, he loves the Lord dearly with all his heart, but he is a dyed in the wool King Jame-er. I was down there on vacation and we were sitting on the front porch (they do that a lot in “Orkinsow”) anyhow I jerked out my Bible and he jerked out his, I only had my Zondervan Amplified Bible, so I read the pertaining text and he said “I don’t like the way that “thang” reads.” He wouldn’t be caught dead without his King James, it was kind of funny but it was aggravating too. His close mindedness gets too me. I actually think he thinks that it is “wrong” to use some of the later translations. As to the accuracy of various translations I have a chart of accuracy of all the different translations, I got out my theology notes but I don’t have them in order and its entirely too much to dig thru to find it and besides I have no way of knowing how accurate the chart is, Heh heh. All this makes me realize how fortunate and blessed that I have been to have gotten started early in my Christian walk with a good grounding in the Bible. When I stumbled upon Adventist, I did my best to deconstruct all my preconceived understanding of the Bible in its entirety, I did this prayerfully and an honest heart in order to really look at their theology, most especially where it pertains to the Sabbath issue. I feel I gave it as fair a shake as humanly possible, I thank the Lord for a new look at the scripture and the basic tenants of the Bible endures through time and dispels all false teaching. Unfortunately the Adventist doctrine is so far out of whack as to be beyond belief of any reasonable mind, it starts wrong and ends wrong. Adventist doctrine is a foreign thing, and out of joint thing, a goat with horns butting at the sheep who graze contentedly and it would take a complete mind reset for an Adventist thinking to be adjusted, a complete reboot of his noodle, his building has to be razed to the ground and completely rebuilt from the ground up. He needs to turn off his computer and give it a cold boot. His doctrine is like looking at clouds scurrying across the sky hoping for some drop of rain which refuses to fall. It is a hopeless and helpless theology with no sustenance for the weary nor hope of ever bringing any. It is like a cripple in the street hopelessly flailing useless legs that refuse to carry him to safety. Folks forgive me for this rant, but this thing brings tears to my eyes this morning and also resentment to this unjustified bending of this Bible that has comforted me so many years, this word of promise that the Holy Spirit planted in my heart so many years ago. River |
