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| Jamundson Registered user Username: Jamundson Post Number: 9 Registered: 7-2007 |
Many of my SDA relatives seem to be unusually talkative about 3ABN. One is indicating that he is contributing to it heavily. I have never watched 3ABN other that the Doug Bachelor DVD. Is there something different in/at 3ABN or is it the same old stuff I understand that one of DB's issues is his position that SDAs have replaced Iseral as God's chozen. Any insite on this? Jay | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 399 Registered: 5-2007 |
That is one of Doug Batchelor's positions. And the irony of this is Doug Batchelor is from a Jewish background himself. Which Doug Batchelor DVD did you watch? Was it that horrid one about the "end times" where it showed all the Adventists fleeing because of the Sunday Laws and the anguiush when they were without Christ as a mediator. And then at the end all the non-Adventists were being annilhilated by fire from heaven that looked like, little, burning meteroites. | ||
| Jamundson Registered user Username: Jamundson Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2007 |
That was the DVD. I only watched it to be able to get a little exchange with my relatives. It was hard to get thru without gaging | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 400 Registered: 5-2007 |
It was so ridiculous I actually laughed. Did you also know that apparantly Batchelor is a Tritheist rather than a Triniarian? He did a teaching on the Trinty that brings that out. | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 57 Registered: 7-2007 |
I'm not familier with those terms. What's the difference between Triniarian and Tritheist? Dianne | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1962 Registered: 10-2004  |
Dianne, A Trinitarian is someone who believes in the orthodox Christian teaching of the Trinity (that God is one Being who exists as three distinct, but not separate, persons). A Tritheist is someone who believes in the heretical teaching of Tritheism, or "three Gods." An example of Tritheism would be the Mormon and SDA teaching that "the Godhead" is a group of three separate Divine Beings who are "one" only in purpose and character, etc. For more on this subject, see the article in the latest Proclamation! magazine, entitled "Discovering the Adventist Jesus." It can be read online, here: http://lifeassuranceministries.org/Proclamation2007_MayJun.pdf Also, this issue was discussed on the forum, at this thread here (beginning on the first archived page "Archive through May 27, 2007"): http://64.226.233.122/discus/messages/11/5533.html?1181957443 Jeremy | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6341 Registered: 12-2003  |
Doug Batchelor has recently become the president of 3ABN replacing founder Danny Shelton. To my knowledge, Danny is still there, but Doug has "taken over". It will likely reflect his style and preaching increasingly. The message, however, is the same. Doug is "slicker" than Danny--Danny is slick in a different way. Doug is fast-talking and articulate, and he throws out-of-context texts out there with an impressive ease that completely leads the unsuspecting down the garden path. BTW, Dianne, a Trinitarian is one who believes in One God—one Being—expressed in three Persons all of whom are entirely all of God. (A mystery, to be sure!) A trietheist believes in three separate person who are united in purpose or in name--like a "god family" or "group god". Doug Batchlor does not believe in the otrhodox, Christian understanding of the Trinity. He believes more along the lines of tritheism. Colleen | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1963 Registered: 10-2004 |
Reb, you are right about Doug Batchelor. The following are some excerpts from an article on the Amazing Facts website, by Doug Batchelor and Kim Kjaer:
So, according to the above article, the only difference between the Adventist gods and the heathen gods is that the Adventist gods don't war against each other. Although, the Adventist gods even risked this unity of purpose--because Jesus could have sinned and then the gods would have warred against each other--with Jesus being "omnipotent evil"!! And Jesus and the Holy Spirit are such lesser gods than the Father that it might be wrong to pray to them! The blatant tritheism and blasphemies in the above quote are just totally amazing! To listen to a short audio clip of Doug Batchelor explaining his view of the Trinity to a caller on his radio show, click here: http://www.bibleuniverse.com/resources/Audio/BALQALib/031702_word_Trinity.asx Also on the Amazing Facts website, is the following, from the description of Doug Batchelor's pocket book The Trinity:
And the following is a quote from the book, which can be downloaded from their website:
Jeremy | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 403 Registered: 5-2007 |
I literally sickens me that anyone could even think that Jesus could have sinned. What part of Jesus is God don't they understand?? This is HORRIBLE blaspemy. I am really angered to read this garbage spewed by Doug Batchelor. Do Adventists REALLY believe this??? | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1964 Registered: 10-2004 |
Yep, this type of teaching is in their official belief book Seventh-day Adventists Believe. What really sickens me is where Batchelor calls JESUS (potentially) "omnipotent evil" in that above quote! Jeremy | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 405 Registered: 5-2007 |
Can't they see that this is WRONG????? It is SO WRONG!! WHY don't the Adventists see how wrong that is?? | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1099 Registered: 9-2006  |
Quote:"Let us now venture a little deeper onto sacred ground. What he seems to me to be doing is venturing into deep do do. River | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6347 Registered: 12-2003 |
"Deep do do" indeed! That really sums it up... Colleen | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2413 Registered: 11-2002 |
I was for sure taught tritheism. I remember asking my mother one time to explain the trinity to me. In essence her reply went something like this, "Susan, just like you and me and Daddy are three seperate people we make up one family. We all have the same goals for each other and as a unit and we are in harmony. Daddy is head of the home like God the Father is head of God, Jesus comes after God so that would be me and the Holy Spirit was given to the new Christians in Acts just like you came and blessed me and Daddy after our marriage. I know it isn't exactially an exact understanding of the trinity but it's the closest explanation I can explain." Or, something like that. Anyway, I was left with the understanding that just like me and Mom and Daddy were three unique and seperate individuals so were God the Father, Jesus and The Holy Spirirt. | ||
| Lisa_boyldavis Registered user Username: Lisa_boyldavis Post Number: 259 Registered: 3-2005 |
I just saw Doug B. at a family reunion.. Momoriel for my aunt... in California. He's friends of my family, but I do not know him. My family is also Jewish or partly¡K mostly Americanƒº It's sad when a person uses their charisma for the wrong cause. What if we started praying for him, that God would take the scales off his eyes? It has happened that God has captured those on the wrong side of the truth in the past, and a good example is Paul. I vote to pray for him, that God will either change him or stop him. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 4021 Registered: 3-2004  |
Susan, I was taught the same thing about the Trinity. Hmmm, same church, same teaching. Lisa, I agree about praying for Doug B. Let us all remember him in our prayers. Diana | ||
| Laurie Registered user Username: Laurie Post Number: 34 Registered: 6-2007 |
I am just in shock after reading that quote above submitted by Jeremy regarding the breakup of the godhead and Jesus having the potential to become omnipotent evil. I don't even know what to say. I continue to discover more evil underlying doctrine in the SDA church. This line of reasoning is insane. If this were true, the holy spirit could turn evil at any moment and go around and start tempting people to sin. I never was a Doug B fan, I have never even really watched a sermon of his. That is the answer to the question of "how can SDA's believe this stuff". I believe a lot of them are like I used to be. Going along, not getting too concerned about EGW, believing in the sabbath, and being very liberal about the other rules. I have never been on the 3ABN website, never listed to their sermons, nothing. Of course I do know many SDAs who only watch 3ABN, read EGW, blah blah blah. But I don't think most do. This particular quote is just very upseting to me. It's blasphemous, pure blasphemy. Laurie | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6351 Registered: 12-2003 |
Laurie, I've no idea of percentages, but a great many Adventists do watch 3ABN. I'm not sure what their demographic profile might be--it's probably not the favorite of twenty-somethings...but a LOT of people do watch. Your reaction to his quote illustrates for me what I have observed—many Adventists don't actually know what Adentism really teaches. They often feel ambivalent about it--they love it and hate it at the same time. Few actually leave unless they slide into "the world". Those who actually do find Jesus, as you have, leave for Him. Even though they didn't know Adventists' true teachings, however, they still have to have Jesus divinely remove them from it. It's still important to discover the truth about Adventism, even if one has left, because wihtout knowing what it really is, the person can't really renounce it. God is faithful. He continues to teach us the truth! I understand your reaction so well. It is deserved. And yes, prayer that Doug Batchelor will be brought to repentance and new life is needed. Colleen | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 4023 Registered: 3-2004 |
It is 6:11 AM Pacific time and Doug B with his program is on TV. I had it on for a few seconds to remind myself of what I left. I cannot stand to watch him. Let us remember to pray for him. Diana | ||
| Laurie Registered user Username: Laurie Post Number: 38 Registered: 6-2007 |
Colleen - I agree. It is important for me to discover all the truth about adventism, even though I have left. Laurie |
