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| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 376 Registered: 5-2007 |
I have wondered at times. What IF Adventists were the MAJORITY? Do you think they would try to get Saturday Laws passed? Has anyone else ever had this thought? | ||
| Bigal Registered user Username: Bigal Post Number: 72 Registered: 9-2006  |
My wife asked her father (who was a conference president, now retired from "the work") what if SDAs force worship on Saturday. He said that it would be the "Mark of the Beast." He added they (the church) would never do that though. I bet some SDAs would be fanatical enough to push for mandatory Saturday worship/observance without seeing that this would be no different than forced "Sunday Keeping." When you really think about it, while I was an Adventist I was forced/coerced/made to feel guilty, etc into "keeping" the Sabbath. Thank God for the freedom in Christ I now have and the assurance of Salvation despite what might happen in the future. Alan | ||
| Stevendi Registered user Username: Stevendi Post Number: 165 Registered: 10-2006 |
If one is quite willing to judge and condemn from a point of weakness and minority, then why would there be any hesitation to do so in a position of power? steve | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 680 Registered: 6-2006  |
I'm curious. What are all the "horrible" things that will be enforced with the dreaded Sunday Law? Is it basically you can only worship God on Sunday? I've heard about it for years, and think I have the gist of it, but I'd like to understand where it came from, is it an official church doctrine, etc. When I hear about it, I want to laugh. "God forbid! Don't make me worship on Sunday!!" I'll worship God any time any day. If you think you're "forcing" me, that's fine too. I'm happy to worship him whenever. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3985 Registered: 3-2004  |
Stop and think!! Look at Loma Linda on Saturday. Everything is closed. Adventists rule Loma Linda, especially near the university and hospital. What would they do if they ruled a larger place. I do not know. I just thought of this. Diana | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6316 Registered: 12-2003  |
Diana, that's a very good point. In the SDA college towns I know, everything shuts down on Sabbath. Even the mail is not delivered on Sabbath but on Sunday. This practice is still being continued in Loma Linda where half the population is non-Adventist. They ALL get their mail delivered on Sunday. Further, the university requires that its staff and faculty not work on Sabbath, even if the individual is non-Adventist. They cannot go into the office to complete any work on Saturday. When the university has a special project, however, they have no compunction about demanding that everyone in the department show up to work the project on Sunday, even if the employees normally go to church on Sunday. (Richard had to show up on Sunday to help put a new roof on his building one year when he still worked there.) Adventists believe that since Sabbath is God's will, God's demand, God's command—in short, absolute TRUTH, they are justified in enforcing its "sacredness" and in refusing to honor people's normal dedication to their Sunday activities. Leigh Anne, the terrible things about the Sunday law are not simply having to avoid work that day. Other "certainties" are that eventually they'll be forced to worship on that day, and finally those who refuse to honor Sunday but insist on honoring the Sabbath (which they also believe will be made illegal), will have to flee and hide in the wilderness to try and avoid being killed for their dedication to Sabbath. The death penalty for Sabbath-keepers is the small print on the "Sunday law". Adventists KNOW they will be persecuted, hunted, and killed for keeping the Sabbath and refusing the "mark of the beast". They KNOW because this scenario is the heart of the Time of Trouble as foretold in Ellen's Great Controversy.The final conflict will be about a day—and death will be the consequence for anyone honoring that day. Colleen | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 395 Registered: 11-2005 |
Adventists found a convenient way to turn Sunday into Saturday on the island of Pitcairn. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Pitcairn+date+line+Sabbath http://adventist.org.au/about_adventists/history/adventism_in_the_south_pacific/cook_islands
See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Date_Line http://www.chcpublications.net/idlmark.htm http://www.chcpublications.net/godcal.htm Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1945 Registered: 10-2004  |
Oh my! Gilbert, at that first link you posted there is a link to a document on the official adventist.org site that says the following:
Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on July 17, 2007) | ||
| Marysroses Registered user Username: Marysroses Post Number: 98 Registered: 4-2007 |
I know a SDA missionary (of course he claims officially to be an English language teacher) who lives in China, who keeps Saturday as it is west of the dateline. So he should be keeping Sunday? Many people get Sunday as their single day off in China, like much of Asia, and one of his complaints is about how difficult it is to meet on Saturday as it is normally a work day. I've posted about the dateline before, it seems to cause sabbatarians no end of consternation. MarysRoses | ||
| Marysroses Registered user Username: Marysroses Post Number: 99 Registered: 4-2007 |
I just read the entire linked article. Adding to my comment about the Adventist in China: Does it strike anyone else as very convenient that in Tonga, where there are strict Sunday observance laws, Adventists worship on Sunday and take notice of the dateline, yet in New Zealand, also west of the dateline, they are keeping the local saturday. MarysRoses | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 45 Registered: 7-2007 |
For awhile I've wondered what they do in Alaska. When sundown is at 2 in the afternoon, do they start observing Sabbath at that time on Friday afternoon? Also what about when there's several months of darkness or light up near the arctic circle? They would HAVE to pick an arbitrary time then, wouldn't they? I don't think Adventists would enforce Sabbath observance on everybody else if they were in the majority. (Just universities, etc. that they owned.) The reason I think that is because they are such STRONG defenders of the separation of church and state! I recently watched some videos talking about the early years of this country. I was astonished that they actually taught Christianity in public schools back then. (Unless the videos were false) The early leaders of this country were Christians (at least for the most part) according to the videos. Dianne | ||
| Doug222 Registered user Username: Doug222 Post Number: 592 Registered: 3-2001 |
In Alaska, the Sabbath is observed from when the sun goes down on Friday, until it sets on Saturday. In the more southern parts of the state that can be around 3 in the afternoon during the winter. Most Adventists make arrangements to leave work early, or work a flex schedule where they do not work on Fridays at all. As you move further north, there can be days and even weeks in the winter where the sun does not rise and in the summer the sun does not set in those areas. In those areas, a time is picked to mark the beginning and end of the Sabbath. I don't recall whether the time picked is 6:00 p.m. or midnight. Interesting enough, in the summer (in certain parts of the state), the sun can actually not set until after midnight, so one could conceivably start the Sabbath on Saturday and continue to observe it into Sunday, hence they would actually be "keeping Sunday." Now isn't that a hoot? Doug (Message edited by doug222 on July 18, 2007) | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 401 Registered: 11-2005 |
Ellen White to the rescue! No need to live in such God-forsaken places. From http://www.quango.net/brinsmead/chap09.htm
The Comprehensive Index to the Writings of Ellen G. White lists about 500 things either to do or not to do on the Sabbath. See Comprehensive Index to the Writings of Ellen G. White (Mountain View Calif.: Pacific Press Publishing Assn. 1963) 3:2311-15. Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 382 Registered: 5-2007 |
So EGW thought it was wrong to live in Alaska, or Norway, or other places in the Far North? What about the Inuit who have lived in the North American Arctic and the Lapps who have lived in the Scandinavian Arctic, thousands of years before EGW was ever born? | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 974 Registered: 8-2004  |
Hmm! so the SDARM GC Secretary who told me that humans just aren't meant to live in places where it is hard to know how to keep sabbath and near-impossible to eat a vegetarian diet was not being original. Wow. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6322 Registered: 12-2003 |
Ha! What a revelation, huh, Mary?! That Ellen quote re: no need to live in those "objectionable" lands is just too much. What were we thinking all those years, anyway? I guess maybe we weren't thinking much...just juggling our cognitive dissonances... Colleen | ||
| Luzisbornagain Registered user Username: Luzisbornagain Post Number: 50 Registered: 7-2007 |
you've got to be kidding me. she wrote that, too? I find more and more appaling statements the more I investigate about SDA. Praise the Lord He showed me the truth. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3993 Registered: 3-2004 |
Luz, I have learned so much about what EGW wrote since I left the church. I did not know I believed, unknowingly, all kinds of stuff. Because I was SDA, "I believed it". So I tell God Thank You, You are AWESOME for taking each of us out of adventism. Diana (Message edited by Flyinglady on July 18, 2007) (Message edited by Flyinglady on July 18, 2007) | ||
| 91steps Registered user Username: 91steps Post Number: 158 Registered: 8-2005  |
Reb, you can bet they would!! I worked at the GC for about 7 years and they sure as heck would legislate as hard as they could. |
