| Author | Message | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 359 Registered: 5-2007 |
I am more and more convinced that Adventism breaks the 1st Commandement (No other Gods before God) for the sake of the 4th. It seems like EVERYTHING in Adventism revolves around the Sabbath. The eschatology, gives it prominence to the point where it replaces Christ and the Gospel as the final test. Even the Hymnal has a hymn "Don't Forget the Sabbath" and other hymns basically about the Sabbath only. And EGW may have broken commandment #9(False witness) when she said the Sabbath is the MOST IMPORTANT Commandment and the only one that identifies WHO God is. NO it doesn't. At the beginning of the Commandments, God states clearly who He is and the first commandment continues that. And since they have made an "idol" out of the Sabbath even though it's not actually a visible graven image you could even say the second commandement is broken as well. It's just a thought. | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 677 Registered: 6-2006  |
I agree Reb. I believe that putting the Sabbath before worship of God is idolatry. How anyone would discourage worship on ANY DAY because it's not the Sabbath is outrageous! What bothers me most is the constant quoting of EGW during "worship". And just recently I received a letter from the pastor at my in-laws' church in which he mentions Sabbath at least 5 times, and Jesus' name comes up once as kind of a side thought. The only reason his name came up was because they have a class entitled "Jesus, the right choice". Now, I know there's no choice when it comes to Sabbath, is there? Who or what are we worshipping here?? Also, how many times did EGW plagiarize - that is STEALING. The church just blows it off with "well, lots of people did that in those days". Still stealing!! (Message edited by grace_alone on July 16, 2007) | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 390 Registered: 11-2005 |
Ellen White definitely broke the 9th commandment! See http://ad2ch.org/en/askellen/2006/09/26/tricks-of-the-trade-from-one-editor-to-another/ Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 364 Registered: 5-2007 |
True, Gilbert. And not to mention the deceit and error Adventism is based on. The way Advenists "hide" EGW to new converts and misrepresent themselves at the beginning of their "Revelation Seminars" | ||
| Marysroses Registered user Username: Marysroses Post Number: 93 Registered: 4-2007 |
I have an interesting 'come-back' to the Adventist idea that EGW's 'borrowing' wasn't serious, since all authors did it back then and it was ok. Does anyone remember Helen Keller? Most people have heard about her. Blind and deaf, she went on to become a well known writer and speaker. In the 1890's she published a short story and had to face charges of plagiarism when its similarity to another author's story was discovered. It was decided that her copying was unintentional, but the point I make with Adventists, is that if it was 'ok' to 'borrow' in the 19th century, why would a 12 yr old blind and deaf girl be so humiliated and almost expelled over charges of plagiarism? I don't think it was ok, I think that is something made up to justify the very apparent problems with EGW's work. Helen Keller is a well known name and often people recall the plagiarism incident from reading her biography or watching one of the many biographical movies. Its a good way to make the point with people that plagiarism was not accepted then. MarysRoses (Message edited by MarysRoses on July 16, 2007) | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1157 Registered: 4-2000  |
Good points, Reb! | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 365 Registered: 5-2007 |
Thanks, Dennis. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1944 Registered: 10-2004  |
The SDA church also doesn't mind breaking the 6th commandment when they murder babies in their hospitals. And yet they still think they're the one true "Remnant Church" that "keeps the commandments of God"! Jeremy | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 392 Registered: 11-2005 |
MarysRoses, You are absolutely right. The White Estate's excuse about all authors "doing it" back then is pure baloney. One of the authors she copied from is Alfred Edersheim. She especially liked his book, "Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah". View volume 1 of it online at http://books.google.com/books?id=7cUOAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:0A0YGR-SAynwJuSu0Ug#PPP1,M1 Take a moment to look at the 6 double-column pages starting with "xxi", titled "LIST OF AUTHORITIES CHIEFLY USED IN WRITING THIS BOOK". View it at http://books.google.com/books?id=7cUOAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:0A0YGR-SAynwJuSu0Ug#PPP27,M1 Another was William Hanna's book "The Life of Christ".View it online at http://books.google.com/books?id=PLxTbBQ-_MkC&pg=PA1&dq=The+Life+of+Christ#PPP1,M1 See also http://www.bible.ca/7-WL-Olson-letter.htm and http://www.ellenwhite.org/egw40.htm She not only copied from other authors, but then claimed that God showed her what she wrote!
Now that the White Estate knows the sources of her "inspiration", and they continue to reprint her books, there is no reason why they can't footnote her various quotes with her sources and stop promoting a false impression of her abilities. Another thing that really bugs me is the blantant lying about the number of visions she purportedly had. See http://www.truthorfables.com/EGW_2000Vision_Fables.htm Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 366 Registered: 5-2007 |
True. They do perform abortions in their hospitals. Remember, since they don't believe there is a soul seperate from the body, they probably don't believe the soul begins at conception. Could it be to some Adventists, a fetus is just a lump of tissue? I wonder. I mean, they do deny the immortality of the soul so this would follow next. Many of them are against the killing of animals for food. Too bad their hospitals don't have any qualms about killing unborn babies. But there are many individual Adventists who are against abortion, my wife is one. Many years ago, at an SDA Church my wife and I used to attend there was a young single lady who got preganant "out of wedlock". Some of the older people in the church actually wanted this young woman to get an abortion. My wife told this young lady that abortion is murder, don't do it and that young lady didn't. This was many years ago. Hmmmmmm I wonder why my wife didn't see there was something wrong with Adventism then. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6303 Registered: 12-2003  |
Great points. And Reb, yes, a great many Adventists do see fetuses as lumps of tissue. Before I understood that humans had spirits that were separate from the body and the breath in the lungs, I could not figure out what the big deal about abortion really was as long as it was done in the first trimester before the "tissue" could really suffer much. (!) The Adventist doctrine of "no spirit" really has affected their acceptance of abortion. That misunderstanding of the nature of humanity underlies a great many of their heresies, including their misunderstanding of the nature of Christ, the nature of sin, and the nature of salvation. Colleen |
