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| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 278 Registered: 5-2007 |
I've lived in the city all my life. I don't know how I would survive in the country. Well I don't have to worry about that anymore, this Sunday Law stuff is just all pure EGW nonsense. | ||
| Godssonjp Registered user Username: Godssonjp Post Number: 39 Registered: 1-2007 |
My 2 cents worth... If we ALL "run to the hills", won't it make it easier to find us all? You don't have to answer. Also, when this idea of hiding in the country came about, how many people where living in this country? I live in Southern New Jersey. Twenty years ago, there was much open land and farm space and in Pennsylvania mountains there was lots of open space. Now, there are new developments and malls where there was none before. Back then, it would've beem difficult (not impossible) to find someone. Nowadays, it would be almost impossible not to find someone. I would think that God would have "showed" all this to her. If He did, she probably would've changed her counsel on HOW to hide. | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 281 Registered: 5-2007 |
And what about GPS. And the Chevys that have On-Star. I actually heard an Adventist say not to buy a Chevy with On-Star navigation as that will make it easy to find us when the time of trouble comes. Actually now that I'm not an Adventist anymore I'm considering my next car to be a Chevy with On-star(unless Honda which is my preferred brand ever gets that)because I get lost in a paper bag and find that very handy. But when I was an Adventist living in fear of Sunday Laws I would not have considered such a thing. | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 351 Registered: 11-2005 |
Do you remember back in the 1960's when bar code first came out, and the Adventist yellow press was working overtime pumping out scare material about how bar codes had 666 embedded in them? I even remember a photo of a person with a bar code on their forehead on the front page of one of these flyers. It was supposed to be the Mark of the Beast. When people turn their brains over to Ellen White it is amazing how they thrive on fear. The really tragic thing is that they pass this own to their poor trusting children. Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 282 Registered: 5-2007 |
Fortunately, Gilbert I wasn't an Adventist back then. I was a convert(after I was married - for my wife who is a 3rd generation SDA). I think it is fortunate I wasn't indoctrinated from a young age in SDA error. It is sad that Adventists turn their brains over to EGW who had a diseased one herself. | ||
| Nicole Registered user Username: Nicole Post Number: 71 Registered: 4-2006 |
wow, this whole thread (in reading it again) makes me laugh. i just can't believe that educated people actually believe this craziness. but the fact that my husband's family are all heading out to the mountains in secluded areas for their retirement homes and are growing their own food, trying to be self-sufficient in other ways (solar power,etc.)seems too coincidental.i would love to hear what my husband's take is on all of this nonsense,but i'm afraid he would be defensive or just plain deny it. | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 357 Registered: 11-2005 |
http://www.ellenwhitedefend.com/subjects/timetrou.htm "We are on the very verge of the time of trouble, and perplexities that are scarcely dreamed of are before us. A power from beneath is leading men to war against Heaven. Human beings have confederated with satanic agencies to make void the law of God. The inhabitants of the world are fast becoming as the inhabitants of the world in Noah's day, who were swept away by the Flood, and as the inhabitants of Sodom, who were consumed by fire from heaven. The powers of Satan are at work to keep minds diverted from eternal realities. The enemy has arranged matters to suit his own purposes. Worldly business, sports, the fashions of the day --these things occupy the minds of men and women. Amusements and unprofitable reading spoil the judgement. In the broad road that leads to eternal ruin there walks a long procession. The world, filled with violence, revelling, and drunkenness, is converting the church. The law of God, the divine standard of righteousness, is declared to be of no effect." 9T 43 It is no wonder that Ellen White was so sickly! Her imagination ran wild. She imagined that Spiritualism was going to take over the world, and wrote a scorching indictment of the Fox Sisters. Little did she know that she had been fooled into publishing yet another falsehood. Read http://www.ellenwhite.org/egw54.htm Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Zjason Registered user Username: Zjason Post Number: 59 Registered: 11-2005 |
Hey everybody! Happy 7/7/07! It was a high day at church today, as far as the pastor was concerned, praying for global outpouring of the spirit. At the end of the service, he started praying, saying that all adv. churches were praying at the same time for the latter rain. I checked my watch to see how long he would go on for, but it was only about 1 1/2 minutes. I was expecting at least 10... Thought I would raise this question, I have asked it before, but don't remember getting a response: some members of this church have asked how it would be possible to get the general population behind sunday legislation, and one response is a global catastrophe, or several confined catastrophes, which would send "shockwaves" throughout the world. And people would begin to wonder if there really is something to attending on sunday... How would you respond to someone saying this? tanks! Jason | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6251 Registered: 12-2003  |
Ah, yes--the 7-7-07 event! My in-law's church had prayer meetings in homes every night for the past 10 days. There is actually a curriculum for this event. My in-laws hosted one of the local prayer meetings. They met every single day--even July 4, so there were no fireworks for them! (Well, maybe they could have gone after the meeting, but they declined to join us because of the meeting. Now that I think of it, though, perhaps it was a good reason to avoid the discomfort of socializing with us since we have apostatized.) As far as what I would say to the question, Jason, and the proposed answer--I'd simply say that the Bible is clear that we will not be tested regarding our loyalty to a day but for our loyalty to Jesus. The Bible doesn't tell us the details of what we will face, but we are told that Jesus will never leave us or forsake--He'll be with us even to the end of the age. Whatever happens, if we are in Christ, we will be secure. Colleen | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 657 Registered: 6-2006  |
Jason - great to see you! I was just thinking about you, so either I got your vibes or you got mine. My favorite answer is Phil 4:6. 6 Don’t worry about anything; instead, pray about everything. Tell God what you need, and thank him for all he has done. (New Living Translation) It's simple, but always true!  Leigh Anne | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 362 Registered: 11-2005 |
Jason observed -
I had an interesting thought. I wonder how this works? If a New Covenant Christian is "sealed" with God's Holy Spirit, then tell me again? What are they praying for? Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Zjason Registered user Username: Zjason Post Number: 60 Registered: 11-2005 |
I never used to think it was far fetched to have our loyalties tested over a day of worship, but today as the pastor was expounding to us in great detail as to what a "lightning rod" the 4th commandment will be, I realized, "man, these people really believe this?" And as he reported on what movements there were for sunday legislation and the words "papacy" and "protestant" and "mainline churches", I noticed how many people in the pews were giving out their "amens" and muffled laughs-->you know, the kind of laughs that say "The poor deluded souls. They don't have the truth like we do." I got to thinking, when the pastor says that the 4th commandment is the center of the 10, isn't that wrong? According to my math(which I struggled with), 1/2 of 10 is 5, ain't it? So he was erroneous in his observation. It should be the 5th commandment being the center of the decalogue. It's late, I know... Jason | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 294 Registered: 5-2007 |
I am sorry to hear you had to be subjected to that, Jason. I have a suggestion. What would your wife think about trying a Seventh Day Baptist Church? You would still have the Sabbath if that is an issue for her(I gather that you are still attending Adventist Church for your wife - a situation I myself have been in). Is there one in your area? Is it an option for you? My wife is accepting my going to SDB instead of SDA church but will not yet attend it with me(I am hoping that day will come). I am finding the SDB church to be a really good alternative for me to the SDA church and I am very happy with it. And it didn't give my wife the shock that switching to a "Sunday" church would. And I am hearing a clean Gospel message at the SDB church, not the kind of nonsense you were subjected to(and I used to be as well.) It got to the point I could no longer tolerate the stuff I was hearing at SDA church. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6262 Registered: 12-2003 |
Jason, it is crazy-making when you analyze it. Jesus is the center: of life, of our loyalty, of our final "test", of absolutely everything. It takes great courage and faith to jump out of the morass of deception and guilt, but God is faithful. He will lead you in His time. Truly it was our sons that gave us the imptus to leave. We finally asked ourselves, how can we expect our sons to be truthful with us and in their lives in general if we are not willing to act publicly on what we believe? Our behavior and our profession need to match. Trust Jesus—He'll lead you and show you how and when to do what He desires. Colleen | ||
| Grasshopper Registered user Username: Grasshopper Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2007 |
i left sda 8 mounths a go and still have a lot of problums but i had pork at supper last night by willfull chose pray for me to keep going forword in Jesus name | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 108 Registered: 5-2007  |
Welcome Grasshopper, We are all here to grow and move forward. The important thing is we are all moving in the same direction, with our faces looking at Jesus.  Praying for you. Phil | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6267 Registered: 12-2003 |
Grasshopper, welcome to the forum! You're among people who understand. We look forward to hearing more of your story. With prayers for you, Colleen | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 663 Registered: 6-2006 |
Welcome Grasshopper! Leigh Anne | ||
| Timmy Registered user Username: Timmy Post Number: 194 Registered: 8-2006  |
My family has been out for almost three years now. When my son prays (he is 14) he STILL says "And Lord, Thankyou for making all foods clean." Mark 7:19 (Just about any version but King James) Welcome to freedom in Jesus Grasshopper... | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 308 Registered: 5-2007 |
Amen! |
