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| Mommyk Registered user Username: Mommyk Post Number: 6 Registered: 4-2007  |
I'm sure some of you have heard about this already. Check out the website and tell me what you think. www.operationglobalrain.com | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1041 Registered: 4-2000  |
The "global rain" plea denies the reality of Pentecost Sunday. Instead, our Adventist friends should be cognizant of the Holy Spirit's presence in our spirits right now. It is indeed a strange paradox to hear them earnestly pray for the "latter rain" that has already come in the first century. It is commonplace in SDA worship services to literally beg for the Holy Spirit to come. Without regeneration, a requirement for salvation according to Jesus, it is impossible for them to be fully aware of His indwelling presence already. This is akin to Seventh-day Adventists still observing the festal shadow pointing to the True Sabbath Rest. The Christian Church was actually born on Sunday. What a scary thought for those still behind the veil! Dennis Fischer | ||
| Mommyk Registered user Username: Mommyk Post Number: 7 Registered: 4-2007 |
I agree, Dennis. We already have the Holy Spirit, given on Pentecost Sunday. And He indwells each believer. I couldn't believe some of the comments made by the SDA's. And I quote: "It's time to fulfill our mission; proclaim the gospel and the law to every nation." "It is OUR job to bring Christ back so we can go home. "IT'S TIME TO FULFILL OUR MISSION, PROCLAIM THE 3 ANGELS MESSAGE!" It makes me sad that these people think they have any control over when Jesus will return. I do have a question, though. I'm not clear on where the SDA's get the notion there will be some sort of "latter rain" poured out. Is this from a bible verse taken out of context or is it based on something Ellen white wrote? Thanks, Kristen | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 5798 Registered: 12-2003  |
Ellen White wrote about the latter rain being poured out...but I don't have a source handy. (Jeremy, Dennis, Jackob...someone?) They take Joel 2 out of context. Acts 2 clearly says that Pentecost was the fulfillment of the Joel prophecy--Adventists say the latter rain is still to come. It's such an overt misstatement, yet it seems that no one notices. Sigh. Colleen | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3626 Registered: 3-2004  |
So, let us continue to pray for all adventists at our appointed time every week. We cannot change a soul, but God can and will. Thank you God, you are so awesome. Diana | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1778 Registered: 10-2004  |
Not only does Acts say that Pentecost was the fulfillment of Joel's prophecy--but the Adventists even contradict the Joel passage itself!:
So Joel says that the Spirit being poured out on all mankind and the prophesying (which the SDAs say is talking about EGW--yuck!) is something that happens after the "latter rain." But the SDAs say that "the latter rain" is a future event which happens after the fulfillment of the prophesying, etc. So they even contradict the order that Joel gives! Jeremy | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 729 Registered: 9-2006  |
Deuteronomy 11:14 'then I will give you the rain for your land in its season, the early rain and the latter rain, that you may gather in your grain, your new wine, and your oil. Joel 2:23 Be glad then, you children of Zion, And rejoice in the Lord your God; For He has given you the former rain faithfully, And He will cause the rain to come down for you-The former rain, And the latter rain in the first month. Zechariah 10:1 Ask the Lord for rain In the time of the latter rain. The Lord will make flashing clouds; He will give them showers of rain, Grass in the field for everyone. Zechariah 10:2 For the idols speak delusion; The diviners envision lies, And tell false dreams; They comfort in vain. Therefore the people wend their way like sheep; They are in trouble because there is no shepherd. James 5:7 Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain. James 5:8 You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand. Don’t know how the Adventist tie this all in but more on the latter rain. As for pleading for the Holy Spirit for weeks at a time….. Luke 11:13 "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!" According to this person all you have to do is ask! Guess it depends on whether you believe Jesus or not. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 730 Registered: 9-2006 |
If you don't believe you get exactly what you believed for, zilch. | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 6 Registered: 4-2007 |
Operation Global Rain Gleaned from all the presentations listed S.O.P.: Listed twice Scripture: 11 listed - 8 OT, 3 NT Extra-Biblical: 34 Listed S.O.P. Revelation 18:1-4? S.O.P. Review and Herald, July 21, 1896 {2MR 21.3} 2 Chronicles 7:13-14 Joel 2:15,16,18,23 {4SP 429.2} GC88 621.2 See 2 Kings 7:3-4 3SP 272 (1878). See 2 Chronicle 7:13-14 Letter 230, 1908 8T 21 (1904) RH, March 2, 1897 par. 7 HS 155.3 TDG 314.1 1SM 372 (1890). TM 91, 92 (1895) 6T 19 (1900). COL 415, 416 (1900). 2MR 24.1 Testimonies to Ministers, p. 300 General Conference Bulletin, May 29, 1913, p. 34 Evangelism 701 UL 283 (1891). UL 283 (1891). YRP 10.2 YRP 10.3 Daniel 12:3 Exodus 12:15 1 Corinthians 5:6-8 See 2 Kings 23 Acts 19:18-19 Malachi 4:5-6 ST February 18, 1886 It appears that the lesser light prevails | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1779 Registered: 10-2004 |
Dennis is right about Adventists begging for "the Holy Spirit" to come. They do not believe that the Holy Spirit continuously indwells believers. They believe that believers only "have" the Holy Spirit "helping" them as long as they are "obedient." In fact, they even carefully crafted their Fundamental Beliefs in 1980 to deceive people into thinking they believed the Christian view, while allowing for their heretical view by their crafty language. In the minutes from the General Conference session in 1980, they basically admit that this is what they were doing!! First, here is what the fundamental belief statement itself says (belief #5 on the "Holy Spirit"):
Now, take a look at the relevant excerpts from the minutes from the GC Session in 1980, as quoted in the Adventist Review:
Look at how deceptive they are with those two little words "to be"--and most Christians won't have a clue what they are actually saying or meaning when they state what they do!! Absolutely incredible! (Notice also that they say in their statement that "the Holy Spirit" is sent to be "with" believers, rather than "in" or "indwell"!) Jeremy P.S. We shouldn't be surprised that they did similar things (although less subtle even) with their statement on the "Trinity." BTW, it is clear from reading the recorded minutes on the "Trinity" statement that the men who discussed that statement were tritheists! (Message edited by Jeremy on May 07, 2007) | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1042 Registered: 4-2000 |
POST-PENTECOST In Old Testament times, only certain selected "anointed ones" such as judges, kings, and prophets were filled or permanently indwelt with the Holy Spirit. Moses was the mediator of the Old Covenant. Moses truly stood between the people and God. That is no longer the case under the New Covenant. We no longer need prophets to stand between the people and God to dispense truth to us. That role is now filled by the Holy Spirit Himself in the life of each believer. Therefore, the prophecy in Joel 2:28 is fulfilled that "It will come about after this that I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; and your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions" (NASB). In I Chronicles 25:1-7, we learn that to "prophesy" includes singing praises, playing musical instruments, and giving thanks to God in public. In the truest sense, New Covenant believers are all priests and prophets. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2007 |
I took a look at that operation global rain website. Hmmmmmm. wonder what they define as "magic" books when they mentioned the heads of households collect and burn all the "magic" books in their home. Looks like real fanaticism to me. Somehow I'm not surprised. Praise God I am free(at least mentally at this point) from that cult! |
