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| Dinolf Registered user Username: Dinolf Post Number: 53 Registered: 8-2005 |
The movie "Jesus Camp" was just shown here on Swedish television. It made me sick, I feel that this program show another Jesus than the Jesus of love and compassion. This way to lead young people to faith using guilt and fear is not the gospel of Jesus. That is brainwashing. Just last saturday I heard an adventist preacher talk about 1 King 7:9. Out of context he claims that there is guilt upon those who do not tell the world about the gospel (read 3 angels message). That is a gospel og fear. One expression of this fundamental movement is the ARISE institute. They are teaching young people to preach the gospel - a gospel based on guilt and fear (not to be ready when sunday laws and the sabbath will be a test...) As the fundamentalists in the movie "Jesus Camp" - even if we are pro live (against abortion) - does that give us the right to brainwash people to heaven? No - I do not think so. Pray for the real Jesus to be shown in our evangelical churches and in adventism. Bless Dinolf | ||
| Dinolf Registered user Username: Dinolf Post Number: 54 Registered: 8-2005 |
Hello friends In this post - my reaction was against fundamentalists in the SDA church - when seeing what happens in the world of fundamentals, especially in the US. The methodes of SDA fundamentals differs of course compared to the movie, but the core is the same, - guilt, fear and isolation from society and political methodes. If you are not known with the move - read more at http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/ Discovered that my reaction against the movie was not unique. Christianity Today publish an article called "Brainwashed by the blood" on the issue. http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/commentaries/brainwashed.html. Quote: "As a Pentecostal myself, I love this film. And I hate it. It angers me." Do you see any similar kind of activities that shows how SDA is moving in this direction - encuraged by the fundamental movment? /Dinolf | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 709 Registered: 10-2002  |
The C-Today article was sad... I've been through a few charismatic/pentecostal churches and still receive emails once in awhile from them. The idea that Bush is "anointed" of God for the presidency, etc., is not a foreign idea at all, but has indeed been said from the pulpit and/or in publications of famous leaders. It is freaky. They believe that the shady 2000 election was the result of intercession by the church. And many evangelicals equate anything "conservative" with being correct & Christian. It is scary. Thinking for oneself & deeper examination & research have been on the decline, but I think it's beginning to change. The odd thing is that this fundamentalist movement has penetrated Adventism even though Adventist eschatology warns against it. I have met many traditional Adventists who talk along the same lines as conservative political evangelicals, and in the back of my mind I keep thinking, "But this is what EGW books talked about!" -- that is, the harmonizing of church & state. Somehow they feel adamant about the conservative causes and hold onto the SDA/EGW eschatology at the same time without seeing them in conflict. I think this is possible perhaps because both systems (fundamentalism & SDA) are both based on LAW. The driving force behind both is a focus on the law (hence you have fundamentalists preaching/picketing the ten commandments to non-Christians and trying to erect 10C plaques in public places). Fundamentalists are focused more on law than on grace, and it carries over into their drive to make a lawful society. They have also not learned the lesson of Israel -- that a perfectly designed government with perfect laws did NOT produce a law-abiding nation, and neither will it today. They have forgotten that the Church is not a political institution, but is called to be "salt" in society... salt is not the main ingredient. No one compliments cookies by saying, "These cookies are good, but the SALT is amazing!" Salt is like grace -- you only need a pinch of it. If you have too much, it makes the food taste bad. This seems to be what's happening as the result of many fundamentalists -- people assume that Christianity "tastes bad". Too much salt. Or rather, too much law & too little grace. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 5493 Registered: 12-2003  |
Thanks for your thoughtful observations, Ramone. You make some very good points. Regarding the 2000 electionóI can't explain that completely, but I have to believe that all authority is given by Godóeven authority we consider evil, like Hitleróand ultimately even evil is God's puppet. At the same time, our prayers make a difference. It's the old tension between God's soveriegnty and our responsibility. God IS completely sovereignóand we are held responsible for our choices and actions. But nothing usurps God's ultimate authority. Colleen |
