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| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1488 Registered: 10-2004  |
Who would choose fake food over real food--and call it healthier?! Hehe, we were pretty messed up... I agree Tim, that even if it were healthier, it has nothing to do with salvation. And I'll also say that the Bible nowhere teaches that eating "unhealthy" food is a sin even! Jeremy | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1984 Registered: 3-2005 |
Not only is it counterfeit food, more importantly it is a counterfeit religion. I do have an observation about this, that I find interesting, and I have had time to reflect more on this after attending now for four months a conservative Presbyterian (PCA) church. There are a lot of things about the SDA church that seem true on the surface. They are absolutely right about the Roman Catholic church being a false church with the spirit of the anti-christ, except they can't understand why their doctrine of justification plus sanctification by works is any different--just as false. SDAs where I was growing up had a respect and reverence for God and His Law. They had an emphasis on worshipful music. The problem with this is they were trying to be righteous and stay righteous by the Law. The PCA church I attend also has an emphasis on worship hymns with reverence in the sanctuary. They also have a similar respect for the entire revealed will of God, that includes both Old and New Testaments, even though I don't agree on every detail of Covenant theology. SDAs think that they alone the SDA church are true Israel, and the Remnant. Presbyterians believe that the Christian church which is the entire body of Christ, is the new Israel of God. RC Sproul, on Friday night said that Romans 11 should be interpreted though as meaning that as we get closer to the second coming of Christ, that God will deal more with national Israel, but, that a whole lot of them will be regenerated and grafted back into the olive tree, and be saved with the rest of the true church. There will be no millenial kingdom with animal sacrifices, and no pre-tribulation rapture, and no time of trouble in which Sabbath keepers will be prosecuted for their faith. The huge difference though between counterfeit religion I experienced growing up, and the Reformed Presbyterian faith is very important: Our salvation is all of grace 100%, and any obedience to God springs from a marvelous realization that we have been born again, and given a resurrected soul, and we are promised eternal life, the moment we believe and come to true faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. "There is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus" Romans8:1-4 This is true religion in contrast to counterfeit religion. Adventism has a lot of "phony baloney", in more ways than just fake meat. As Robert Brinsmead said, "the peanut butter culture tends to stick to your fingers, and it is very difficult getting the sticky stuff off." Stan | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 4591 Registered: 12-2003  |
Leigh Anne, your "vegetarian animals" quip reminds me of one we heard from a friend of ours: "If God hadn't intended people to eat animals, He wouldn't have made them out of MEAT!" Colleen | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2802 Registered: 3-2004  |
Leigh Anne and Colleen: LOL Stan, Thanks for telling us the difference between the SDA church and the Presbyterian church you attend. God has been gently pushing me to attend different churches and so I am going to visit various one that I see mentioned on here. Pray for me please as I seek what God's will is for me. He is always awesome. Diana | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2361 Registered: 11-2002 |
Raven, Have you ever attended a Hare Krishna service? They also get real funky and radical about meat. Of course, it is not that eating meat to a Hare Krishna is the right hand of the Krishna religion like to a SDA the 'health message' is thought to be 'the right hand of the gosple' but it rather is to a Krishna they totally believe in reincarnation with humans being the lowest form of life that they'd never think to eat their superiors. Thanks for the gift. I have something mailed to you. | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 186 Registered: 6-2006  |
Colleen, I love it! I'm going to remember that next time I have lunch with my fil at the Souplantation, haha. I have a question about SDA's and meat - Many of the Jewish food laws are meats you *can't* have. But what about meats that the Jews did eat? Particularly lamb. Even Jesus ate Lamb, and fish too. However, I've never known an SDA that ate lamb or fish, for that matter. Did EGW ever have writings about that?  Leigh Anne | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1489 Registered: 10-2004 |
Leigh Anne, The SDAs say they believe that the Jewish food laws are still in effect. But that is a lie. Those food laws clearly state that it is ok to eat many different animals. The SDAs say that you can't eat them, which contradicts the very laws they claim to uphold! They say that both the "unclean" and "clean" meats are forbidden. EGW wrote:
(Actually, vegetables were not part of man's original diet--God gave man vegetables to eat after the Fall as part of the curse! ) As for Jesus, according to EGW He had "a gross, perverted" appetite:
Elsewhere, she says that eating meat makes you murderous, destroys your morals and intellect, inflames the animal organs located in your brain, etc. Jeremy | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2803 Registered: 3-2004 |
You grew up Adventist if you did not like jokes about the SDA church. Diana | ||
| Zjason Registered user Username: Zjason Post Number: 49 Registered: 11-2005 |
I've had the pimento cheese spread and the cashew cheese- A real pain in the butt to make. And a little is ok, but a lot is bad... Being a nurse, I have before gotten flack from other church members for working on the sabbath and not being at church. Or when my unit is short nurses on friday nights and I have to stay overnight to help cover. I used to feel guilty about missing, but I couldn't see the sense in endangering a patient's life because we didn't have enough nurses to safely cover each patient...I don't have to stay, but I do, because of my sense of duty, and the overtime pay is nice. My wife used to get upset about me staying and remind me what day it was, but she doesn't so much anymore. She'll take the kids to sabb.school and leave afterwards since she doesn't like the new pastor. | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 187 Registered: 6-2006 |
Jeremy, that reminds me of all the times I've heard "God never intended for us to eat meat" along with "Adam and Eve were 10 feet tall". So that's where it came from! I wonder how "revolted" EGW was when the chicken and oysters were rotting in her stomach?? Diana, that's SO opposite from the Lutheran church I go to. Almost monthly our pastor will ask "can I get an Amen?" and when the response is weak he asks "Why can't you people be more Baptist??" Leigh Anne | ||
| Ardyj Registered user Username: Ardyj Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2006  |
All of your comments are so interesting. Having grown up in a meat-eating SDA home, I didn't get the brewer's yeast. But we did try the nuteena, once; Dad strongly suggested we not have it again! But there was the Postum, that my Grandmother HAD to have! It smelled like burned grain, which it is. My mother and father went ahead and had their regular coffee and I really couldn't see why not, even then. But they put the coffee pot away when Grandmother came to visit! I never could understand all the fake stuff that was supposed to look, smell and taste like meat. That just really didn't seem right. If we weren't supposed to eat it, why make something to look and taste like it? ( and it really never did taste like it!!!) Very puzzling to me as a child and even more so as an adult. Being a nurse also, working on Sabbath was an interesting issue. But then, the sick had to be taken care of, so that should be OK. I once had another nurse tell me that it was OK to work on Sabbath if you gave the day's earnings to the church. That was a surprise to me! Had not heard that one before then. I even heard a few negative comments such as: "you're a nurse, so you don't have to worry about Sabbath!" Oh the "games" the SDA's play! | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1490 Registered: 10-2004 |
Leigh Anne, Guess where the second quote you've heard repeated many times comes from? ;-)
Jeremy | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 189 Registered: 6-2006 |
Jeremy I am amazed that EGW "knew" all that information that Moses didn't even have when he wrote the decalog! Is that where the winged serpent was as well? I have a crazy and I hope not too offensive question regarding "you know you grew up Adventist.." Please don't laugh. (like I can see you) My SDA-inlaw uncles, both doctors, promote coffee enemas and carrot juice cleanser diets. Is that an SDA/EGW related thing, or just my wacky but lovable family?? Don't laugh! Leigh Anne | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2804 Registered: 3-2004 |
Leigh Anne, I have read of the coffee enemas and carrot juice cleanser diet in some health food literature, non SDA. Diana | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1491 Registered: 10-2004 |
Leigh Anne, I'm laughing--I can't help it! Hehe. SDAs get into all kinds of strange health things... I don't think I've heard of those two things being from EGW, though. (I don't think she ever said a favorable word about coffee--only that drinking it would destroy one's soul!) I think drinking carrot juice might be fairly common in Adventism, though. In fact, I have heard of someone's skin turning orange from drinking too much carrot juice! Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on September 11, 2006) | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 190 Registered: 6-2006 |
I always thought it was funny that you couldn't pass it through your kidneys, but you could, well, um, never mind. It's true, SDA or not, I have a wacky family! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 4592 Registered: 12-2003 |
Leigh Anne, I think the coffee enemas are not specifically Adventistóthere are quite a few "brands" of natural cure people out there. I remember hearing about coffee enemas first in the late 70s when a friend of a friend of mine had metastatic breast cancer in her 30's. She had pursued some alternative medicine research, and coffee enemas were on the list of recommended purgesóalong with carrot juice. I remember she bought a juicer and began purchasing big bags of carrots... Colleen | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2363 Registered: 11-2002 |
Janet Jackson was on a tv daytime talk program that I was watching several years ago with my two youngest sons who were in their mid teanage years. She went on and on about the benefits of coffee enamas. Then several months later we were watching South Park and they had on a spoof about coffee enamas. The South Park program was a lot more to our liking. That stuff is way too far out for me. I have had SDA kin, all deceased now that got into some really weird and whacky health things. None of it seemed very healthful to me. I was at my SDA retired minister cousins house recently. This wonderful man is in his mid 80's. The neighbor brought over a container of fried chicken and he ate a piece. His super-duper SDA wife of 54 years told him off reminding him he's Adventist and he's supposed to be vegetarian. I just thought, "Oh, please give him a break. For Goodness sake, he's 84 years old." I know so many fanatics it is just mind boggeling! | ||
| Mwh Registered user Username: Mwh Post Number: 164 Registered: 4-2006  |
Jeremy, what do you mean by: "(Actually, vegetables were not part of man's original diet--God gave man vegetables to eat after the Fall as part of the curse! :-))" I can't seem to find evidence that the original diet consisted of meat. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 4594 Registered: 12-2003 |
Mwh, it's not that the original diet consisted of meatóit's that the original diet may have consisted only of what we might consider "cultivated" plants, or fruits and grains. Genesis 1:29-30 has God giving mankind every seed-bearing plant and every tree that yields fruit with seeds. To the animals he gave "every green plant for food." In Genesis 3:18, when God pronounces the curse upon the land as a consequence of Adam's sin, He says, "It [the land] will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field." This giving of the plants of the field is different from the seed-bearing trees and plants of Genesis 1:29 and sounds much more similar to the "every green thing" he gave to the animals. I have wondered if God's giving of the vegetables and green plants might have been related to nutritional needs. With the disappearance of the Tree of Life, perhaps there were certain nutrients even sinful, dying mankind needed that were available only in the green stuff. But maybe that had nothing to do with it! It was in Genesis 9:3 where God gave to mankind every thing that moves on the earth for food. Associated with this change in diet, God also placed fear of man into the animals (see Genesis 3:6-8, etc.). Colleen |
