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| Mwh Registered user Username: Mwh Post Number: 153 Registered: 4-2006  |
Hi, I just surfed a bit around and came up upon this one: http://www.amazingdiscoveries.org/media/bible-insight/video/alpha-and-omega-431/ It smells a bit like some SDA organization. Anyone know more about these Guys? The About page does not reveal any connection with SDA. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 4494 Registered: 12-2003  |
It's Adventist, Mwh. I'm not sure who runs it, but it talked under the streaming video window about the "omega" of prophecy and mentioned what Ellen White said about it. It's Adventist. Colleen | ||
| Jwd Registered user Username: Jwd Post Number: 244 Registered: 4-2005  |
Mwh, Every time I look at your picture I think I am looking at a younger Kevin Kline, the actor! Jess | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 153 Registered: 6-2006  |
Ha! I keep thinking he looks like Toby McGuire from Spiderman! Mwh, don't you hate those sneaky web sites. I guess if they have to use the word "Amazing", it's either going to be super cheezy or a trick.  Leigh Anne | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 615 Registered: 8-2004  |
Looks to me like it's a similar site to 'Amazing Facts' with a similar purpose, but different materials. There such things as whether it's ever appropriate to visit 'sunday churches', and the 'judgement of the living' are currently under discussion. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2315 Registered: 11-2002 |
Helovesme2, I keep having to tell my SDA kinfolk that so what if I go to church on Sunday, they do, too. Of course they tell me they don't attend church on Sunday. I point out that they spend nearly 2 weeks every summer at campmeeting and at campmeeting they attend church at least 4 times each Sunday. I tell them I went to Monterey Bay Academy and attending church on Sunday was not optional, it was mandatory. Of course, the children who go to the SDA summer camps have church on Sunday and most SDA's are glued to their tv's every Sunday either watching Doug Botchler (oops! I ment Batchlor) ot the VOP or FFT broadcasts and if they have 3ABN or the Hope Channel then those stations. I know several SDA's who always watch The Hour of Power and that is on Sunday. Sometimes they conceed that those things are church on Sunday. I never could figure out how going to church on Sunday, worshipping and praising God on Sunday had anything at all to do with breaking the Sabbath. They are two totally different periods of time. I never could figure out how the SDA's link the two. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2752 Registered: 3-2004  |
I could not help it!!! I have a lots of extra minutes on my cell phone, so I called the number on that web site and asked what church they represented. The lady who answered said, and I am sure you know what she said, Seventh day Adventist. I wanted to ask her why it does not say so on the web site, but I refrained from doing that. Diana | ||
| Mwh Registered user Username: Mwh Post Number: 154 Registered: 4-2006 |
Jess, I checked him out and I can see why you think like you do. Leigh Anne, heh, yea some likeness there as well. | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 618 Registered: 8-2004 |
For what it's worth, over at Amazing Discoveries on the thread Sunday Church Visits?, beginning, I believe around post #5, is a discussion about SDAs being labled 'cultic'. It's interesting to read their opinions on it! Blessings, Mary | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2321 Registered: 11-2002 |
A "Born Again Adventist". Is that something new? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 4505 Registered: 12-2003 |
Wow, Maryóquite an interesting discussion! First, it's interesting to find them saying the same thing about Questions on Doctrine that we have been sayingóthe book was for the purpose of convincing Walter Martin the church was not a cult, and the book sold them down the river, so to speak. Yes, Susanóthat "born again Adventist" caught my eye, too. I don't rightly know exactly what she means by that term! Certainly she is strongly cautioning people NOT to visit Sunday churches! Colleen | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 253 Registered: 11-2005 |
Wow! What a weird thread. Perhaps they need to read http://www.adventistreview.org/2003-1516/story4.html "One question that occupies my students is whether they could keep the Sabbath from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday, yet still worship with their family in church on Sunday. I've read in Christianity Today that Michael Card, the noted performer of contemporary Christian music, does just that." Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Brian3 Registered user Username: Brian3 Post Number: 61 Registered: 8-2005 |
I found myself agreeing with most of the article about the biblical way to "keep" the sabbath (if you think it is still required) until the last paragraph: "Worshiping God on a day other than the Sabbath is a bit like celebrating a birthday or anniversary on the wrong day. Do we care enough to remember the right day? I tell my students I'm not there to judge them, but I heartily recommend the blessings that come from remembering the Sabbath day." He goes on and on about how there is no biblical mandate to worship on sabbath, only cease/rest and then adds that! It's almost like somebody else added that last part! | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 254 Registered: 11-2005 |
I am amazed at the extreme irony of a number of their articles. It's like they are trying to play both sides against the middle. Why not worship God every day of the week like the early Christians did? Here is an article that is really weird -- but then so is the logic he uses for supporting 1844 in this quarter's adult SS Lesson Study! http://www.adventistreview.com/article.php?id=309 Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1466 Registered: 7-2003 |
I had the exact same thought as you, Brian3. After going to such lengths to say the sabbath was never about worship, then to conclude by saying if you don't worship on the sabbath you're worshipping on the wrong day. What's up with that?? But I've made that exact same argument to the SDA I've known and he wasn't persuaded by such 'scriptural truths' either. | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 282 Registered: 10-2002  |
My goodness. That Amazing Discoveries thread was incredible. I don't have words to describe it! One odd thing was hearing the way they talked about the errors of "Sunday churches"... and about the cautions of being influenced by them, etc. It was weird to me because it reminded me of how we sound talking about them! (I honestly have no idea what that means, but it was interesting anyway.) Whatever the case, it did emphasize to me the complete importance of emphasizing Christ & the Gospel of God's grace above all (the New Covenant, in the Biblical legal term). There are a lot of smaller differences---hell, punishment, etc.---but the fastest & most thorough way to expose the cultic side of Adventism's history & theology is the Gospel. Christ is so truly "the stumbling stone". | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 283 Registered: 10-2002 |
The Review article was actually pretty insightful---but up to the end, like you've all noted! Maybe he added it because, well, you can't tell the truth too much. It's the same reason that many scholars don't tell the truth about tithing, for fear of the loss of our institutions (including our church buildings), our reason for being, and not to mention the backlash such an honest admission might receive. Just like New Testament "giving", "assembly" is also something that is not to be done under compulsion, nor done out of fear of falling into error if you don't. The author may know this deep inside, but making such an open confession would be socially and perhaps personally difficult because of all the other questions it would trigger. Not coincidentally, most churches (of all denominations) have trouble admitting the same thing about non-compulsory assembling (well, they might say it, but they will only do so with a quick "balancing" note, which in effect adds a little bit of fear of not assembling). It kind of reminds me of how someone said that if no one is upset about your Gospel preaching being too kind to sinners or extending grace too far, then you're not preaching the Biblical Gospel and God's true grace. In the same way, I think we ought to be telling the people the truth about "giving" and "assembling" with such pure, 'unbalanced' honestly that it upsets people who do these things from a place of coercion (God's grace always shakes us when we hold onto "law" in any form, even if we've made a "law" of NT statements). (Message edited by agapetos on August 27, 2006) | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 4515 Registered: 12-2003 |
Great insights, Ramone. Colleen | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2325 Registered: 11-2002 |
In the area of Ca. where I am from is a very large Nazarene church. The congreation just continues to grow. For several years the Naz has been holding a Saturday late afternoon service. It is basically the same service as is held the following Sunday morning. I understand the music might be different and a few other things but the sermon and the rest of the service is the same as will be held the following morning. Well, to make a long story short the SDA's who are in charge of the local Adventist church got wind that several (maybe more than several?) SDA's were attending the SDA church on Saturday morning, then staying at potluck as long as they could and then attending the Saturday afternoon service over at the Naz. What happened is now the SDA church is having a Saturday evening service. Rumor is though that those who had already started over at the Naz are still going to the Naz in the evening. I have been told by more than one Adventist that going to a Sunday-keeping church on Sabbath does not qualify as Sabbath-keeping. It just gets so weird. |
