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| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 91 Registered: 6-2006  |
A few posts ago I read a reference that Colleen made to the Maccabees and the fulfilment of the 2300 days prophesy in the book of Daniel. I did my own little bit of research and found a some good info on that in one of the outreach sites, and in Wikipedia. Anyway, to me that's a real important bit of information! Especially if it was recorded in the book of Maccabees, and that the prophesy was fulfilled even before Jesus was born. I'm curious to know why this isn't brought up more often? Doesn't it completely obliterate the sanctuary doctrine? What are your thoughts? Leigh Anne | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1438 Registered: 7-2003 |
Oh, Bryant's favorite line was because they couldn't pinpont that they fought exactly 1150 days, it didn't count. Like he can prove anything about their Daniel explanation! He also disagreed that someone was "great" enough to meet the Biblical reference. Rationalizations abound to those so seeking them..... | ||
| Brian3 Registered user Username: Brian3 Post Number: 55 Registered: 8-2005 |
I found this article very enlightening: http://www.ellenwhite.org/2300.htm The following is clipped from the article. There are two principle methods of reckoning the 2300-day period: 1. Reckoning from the fifteenth day of the month Cisleu, in the year 145 of the Selucidae, in which Antiochus set up the abomination of desolation upon the altar (1 Maccabees 1:59), to the victory obtained over Nicanor by Judas, on the 13th day of the month Adar, Anno 151, are 2300 days. The Jews kept an annual feast on the 13th of Adar, in commemoration of the victory. 2. The period began with the defection of the people from the pure religion by the Jewish high priest Menelaus, on the 6th day of the 6th month of Anno 141. According to Josephus, Menelaus went "to Antiochus, and informed him, that they were desirous to leave the laws of their country, and the Jewish way of living according to them, and to follow the king's laws, and the Grecian way of living." (Antiquities, bk. 7, ch. 5.1) The period ended on the twenty-fifth day of Cisleu in the year 148, when the Jews offered the daily sacrifice on the new altar of burnt offerings (1 Maccabees 4:52). This is a total of 2300 days. Using either method results in a 2300-day period. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2703 Registered: 3-2004  |
When I was reading Daniel after I decided not to be rebaptized SDA, I came to Dan 8:14 and some one from here told me to read the book of Maccabees. I have a Catholic Bible with those books in it. I read the story and was convinced the 2300 days happened before Christ. Diana | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 245 Registered: 11-2005 |
http://blogs.ellenwhitenews.org/gjorgensen/2006/07/30/yesterdays-sabbath-school-lesson-2300-days/ | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 96 Registered: 6-2006 |
Thanks Brian3, I checked that site too, and found that it was interesting that the 2300 days are explained in greek as mornings and evenings, not years like the SDA church wants everyone to believe. Gilbert, great article! It is obvious, isn't it? I like that little blurb you added from EGW as well. I sure hope that wherever EGW is now, she's feasting on a big 'ol plate of crow. btw, I found the history of the book of Maccabees at this link... http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=18&letter=M&search=maccabees Just for fun I wanted to learn the date it was written as well as checking it's historical validity. Why on earth would anyone hold on to the IJ/Sanctuary message with proof like this? It kinda makes me want to start celebrating Hannukah just to be spiteful!  | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2707 Registered: 3-2004 |
"Why on earth would anyone hold on to the IJ/Sanctuary message with proof like this? It kinda makes me want to start celebrating Hannukah just to be spiteful!" The Greek explained the verse as mornings and evenings. Grace_alone, thank you for the comments and enhancing my knowledge. I really like your comment about celebrating Hannukah. I laughed. I'll celebrate with you. Diana | ||
| Brian3 Registered user Username: Brian3 Post Number: 56 Registered: 8-2005 |
Grace_Alone, The fact that the KJV translates it Days is one of the primary reasons why so many "Historic" adventist will read no other translation. (KJV) And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days;, then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. (LITV) And he said to me, For two thousand, three hundred evenings and mornings, then the sanctuary will be put right. (NASB) He said to me, "For 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the holy place will be properly restored." (NET.) He said to me, "To 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be put right again." (YLT) And he saith unto me, Till evening--morning two thousand and three hundred, then is the holy place declared right. | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 99 Registered: 6-2006 |
Brian, it's for this reason that I'm looking into buying a good Greek/English interlinear Bible. There are a few on Amazon that have KJV/NIV together in one book. That should cover all the bases... I read a book written by RC Sproul that referred to a few mistakes in the KJV. They were minor, and mainly added/translated for cultural reasons. I believe the book is "Chosen By God". Anyway, at the time it was published there were a few things that the church deemed as blasphemous, so the scribes either changed a word, or added a description to bypass actually writing a specific word. I'll take an NIV any day! This reminds me of some of my older SDA in-laws who actually do everyday prayers in KJV. ( Of course they forget to actually speak the old English with an English accent. ) Diana - L'Chaim! |
