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| Mwh Registered user Username: Mwh Post Number: 53 Registered: 4-2006  |
Good evening! Just finished my studie of the 1844 doctrine with my Adventist friend, we read two chapters in Dale Ratzlaff's book The Cultic Doctrine of Seventh-day Adventists, this time about EGW's adorsements of Millers proofs of Christs second coming. She did comment that she did not belive the little horn mentioned in one of the proofs was Antiochus Epiphanes. Also she mentioned that she does not agree that EGW is a continuing source of truth, because she thinks that would constitute additions to the scriptures. She was pretty silent after we have read the chapters and we talked abit about this and that afterwards. Tomorrow at 9 o'clock we will continue this studie , and I will invite her to church at 12 o'clock, another baptist church I frequently attend. Pray for us, that her eyes is to be opened by the holy spirit that she might see clearly what the 1844 doctrine is all about and that I may be protected from false doctrines and other temptations that the oponent will put before me. May the peace of the holy spirit be with you! | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 1043 Registered: 7-2004 |
You have my prayers! Belva | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 4138 Registered: 12-2003  |
I'm praying also, Mwh. Colleen | ||
| Mwh Registered user Username: Mwh Post Number: 55 Registered: 4-2006 |
An update. We read further on in Dale's book almost two chapters, we did'nt finish the last one cause she had to go to an appointment with a Jehovas Witness frind of her mom. She did not have many comments, but when I asked her if she beleived that William Miller was wrong about his 15 proofs she hesitated answering yes or no, when I asked her if she belived it was an error his prediction of Jesus second comming she answered yes, it was an error. I think she is wrestling about the fact that EGW endorsed Miller and his proofs. Also she commented about the date setting that maybe the people thought in that time that it was okay if it only was said a year of the seccond comming of Jesus, like 1843, instead of a complete date with a day, like in the 7 month movement. She also commented that the SDA church was not fully established in this time. I pointed out to her that EGW though was taking fully part of the things going on. I feel that she is getting more interested now in knowing more about the beginning of SDA and I think that she is more modest now and not that arrogant as she was when I first met her. She is beginning to realise that other christians arent simply stupid and there is more to it than just rejecting the Sabbath and not eating certain food, just because it is hard not to. That there are actual Theological reasons to reject these "truths". We end our studies by praying together. We will probably meet again for further study tuesday or wednesday. I know your prayers wont go unheard  God is Great! | ||
| Mwh Registered user Username: Mwh Post Number: 57 Registered: 4-2006 |
Well the appointment with the Jehovas Witness turned out to be realy short and she decided to go with me to church .. She liked most of the service, but she didn't like the worship because the band was using a drumset, she began talking about some music being from Satan (rock) and other (Classic) from God more or less. Anyways now I have demonstrated to her two baptist churches and one of them she did like | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2240 Registered: 11-2002 |
Sammuelle Bacchiocchi several years ago wrote an article about drums being an instraument os satan and when used in worship the beat will hyptmoise a person and satan can get mind control of the person. something like that. it was a really farout idea, I thought. | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 689 Registered: 7-2004 |
MWH, All music, including classical, has a beat. Music is not music without rhythm. May I suggest finding some grace based songs by Natalie Grant, Matthew West, Michael W. Smith...and reading the words to the song and then listening to the music with her? As a SDA, before God opened my eyes to His gift of grace, I felt certain music was Satan's tool. I was just thinking today, as I lifted my voice to sing along with K-Love radio, how much I missed out in joyful worship before I discovered the message in praise/worship music. What a blessing it is to "rock" with Jesus! Denise | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 4144 Registered: 12-2003 |
Denise, I've had similar reactions to music. I was trained in classical music and was quite convicted that more popular styles were "cheap" and "common" (meaning, of course, that I was more musically eduated and aware than many other peopleó!) I now find such joy in singing praise and worship musicóand I didn't TRY to learn to like it. I've just found amazing response to the words of much of it. I have a theory that one of the reasons Adventists make so much of classical music (as do Mormons, by the way) is that it somewhat mimics a spiritual response. An deep aesthetic response is close to spiritualóindeed, I believe they can overlapó but the deep emotional response of an aesthetic experience, as moving as it might be, is not usually a response of worship. Knowing Jesus makes worship possible. Without knowing Him, the best one can hope for is a deep response that mimics worship. Colleen | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1743 Registered: 3-2005 |
I am actually returning to my roots with regard to music. I, too was trained in classical music, and I loved the great hymns of the faith. I also like a lot of the praise and worship music referenced above. My wife and I have found a conservative Presbyterian church (PCA), and after going to a lot of churches where they had loud drums and guitars, we are appreciating the style of just a grand piano and classic hymns of the faith. This is in no way meant as criticism of those who prefer P and W for church, and I believe God ministers through a variety of different tastes of music. Stan | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 488 Registered: 7-2004  |
Our church's contemporary service has the most unique music I've ever heard in a church, and to me it is perfect and I appreciate it very much. It's really more like an orchestra. They have about 12-15 people in it (which is quite large for the approximately 150 in the congregation), and they have drums, guitars, clarinets, flutes, saxophones, trombones, tambourine, keyboard, plus other instruments I don't the names of, and of course singers. It's not too loud at all and is done in such a worshipful way. Anytime I hear someone complain about how evil or disrepectful to God that contemporary worship music is, I wish they could hear it at our church because it just isn't that way at all. In addition, before each song, one of the musicians reads a short scripture and/or explains how the song fits into the service. It's all very uplifting. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2242 Registered: 11-2002 |
I prefer the country and western hick Christian music. Kind-of gosple-hick. I have a cd of Elvis singing the great hymms and I also have a cd of Johnny Cash singing humms and one with Aretha Franklin singing southeran gosple. I attend the service with the chior and the regular humms sung. I don't like 'comtempory' music in church. When I step inside those church doors I want to feel reverance. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1758 Registered: 3-2005 |
Susan, I have a Johnny Cash CD of old fashioned southern gospel that I just love. His sincerity really comes through in his gospel music. No one could sing "How Great Thou Art" like Elvis! Stan |
