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Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 1328
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 06, 2006 - 10:13 pm: |     |
Hehe, Grace, your post made me laugh (especially the JW's comments)!
All of that is so true. And we even know how to spell it! ;-)
Did you happen to mention to them that these strange foods are purchased at local Adventist Book Centers located across the country/world?  And did you tell them any of the other funny names for the foods, such as Wham, Tuno, Bolono, Fri-Chik, Turkee Slices, etc.? Hahahahaha...I better stop before I start laughing too hard again... ;-)
Oh my...it really is weird... ;-)
Jeremy |
Raven
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Username: Raven
Post Number: 483
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 5:20 am: | |
Thanks for the laugh, Grace!
One of my favorite ways to have Nuteena is when it's turned into a sandwich spread with chopped up olives and celery. Anyone remember Loma Linda's Sandwich Spread? That was also one of my favorites. Guess I'm a peanut butter addict.
My mom thinks she's re-created a fairly authentic Sandwich Spread and is now working on doing the same for Nuteena. I haven't been brave enough to try imitation vege-products.
I also loved Ruskets when we used to buy them at campmeeting as a kid.
(Message edited by Raven on June 07, 2006) |
Violet
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Username: Violet
Post Number: 392
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 6:55 am: | |
Wasn't it Hilter that said "The hand the rocks the cradle rules the world" Never is this seen so much as in Adventism.
Start them in cradle roll right up to adult SS feeding them the propoganda every week and only but for the grace of God they will believe. |
Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 1039
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 10:24 am: | |
Yes, it is so true. However, I find myself going to local healthfood stores and searching for some of my Loma Linda and Worthington favorites. Violet, I'm with you. I thought it was tragic when they stopped production of Ruskets. Those were really good. I have a secret pleasure in eating certain things, like scallops (vegi scallops). My kids can't even stand the smell of them cooking because they were never fed these things while growing up. I had to sneak them even then because my husband couldn't understand the craving and wanted nothing to do with that stuff as food! |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 4124
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 10:31 am: | |
This is so funny! (I can't actually explain why it's funny--but I'm so "with you" on this food thing!)
I loved Ruskets, too, and as for vege-skallopsóthose have always been some of my all-time favorites.
Raven, I'm chuckling over the idea of IMITATION vege-products!
Colleen |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 1329
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 11:18 am: | |
Belva, the cravings/addiction is caused by the MSG hidden in these products. They say they are free of MSG now (some of them used to have it added)--but the production process with the soy, etc., creates MSG (http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html). The MSG is what gives them a "meaty" taste.
I've heard that if they were to spin the soybeans any more than they do, they would turn into plastic. Of course, some of those vege-meats aren't much different than rubber. ;-)
Jeremy |
Randyg
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Username: Randyg
Post Number: 199
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 12:04 pm: | |
I must confess and come clean. This weekend the "mobile" ABC truck was in our community.
Yes, I bought 4 cases of Big Franks, 2 cases of Grillers, 1 Fake Turkey roll, and 2 cases of Fri-chik.
Alas, no Nuteena, no Tender-bits, and no Clear Word. My NKJV, NIV, NASV, NLT,ASV, and Holmans presents the Word clear enough for me.
Bon Appetit,
Randy |
Snowboardingmom
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Username: Snowboardingmom
Post Number: 108
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 12:12 pm: | |
I love this discussion. It just makes me smile.
Back in college, my vegetarian friend and I were invited to a BBQ. She brought her frozen package of grillers with her (because the crowd was non-Adventist, and it was before vegetarianism was the "in thing"). Everytime I think of this it makes me laugh. I remember these college guys grunting over the meat on the grill while holding their BBQing utensils (you know how guys can get ), as my friend pops a veggie burger on the grill. They both instantly stopped talking, stared down at it, and said, "Does it change color? It's already brown. How will we know it's done?" For some reason that memory cracks me up everytime I think about it!
Grace |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 2585
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 12:23 pm: | |
Hi all,
I had a good laugh reading everything that was written about what I used to call "fake steak". I liked some of it, including nuteena.
It is so nice to be normal now and not have to worry about food and drink. Food and drink are no longer a salvation issue for us.
Randy, you can have all your fake steak, but keep your Bibles that have the CLEAR WORD.
God is so good and so awesome.
Diana |
Lynne
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Username: Lynne
Post Number: 425
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 12:39 pm: | |
I always thought Nuteena was weird and once got a can of free can of fake scallops that I never opened.
Whenever I fried my big franks or used patty mix with barbeque sauce or some tasty sauce, I usually was complimented on the taste of my vege meals by my meat eating friends.
I grew up eating meat so I knew what would pass the taste test for meat eaters when cooking vegetarian.
And I would never throw any of it raw on the grill, especially in front of meat eaters.
I must go against the grain a bit here and compliment the many not-so-strict Adventists in their contribution of helping to change a previously non-health conscious culture (here in America), over the years, to a culture that thinks a bit more about health.
Perhaps the extremely strict EGW vegetarians are no better than the extremely unhealthy meat heads that guzzle lots of beer and wouldn't think of raising a fruit or vegetable to their mouth unless it is candied or fried or cooked in lard
Lynne
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Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 1403
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 2:43 pm: | |
It seems a bit of a stretch to think adventists are the reason for the "health conscious culture". There are many groups that are vegetarian for a variety of reasons, such as PETA and hindus who have their own "religious" reasons for their diets. And as I think it is Chris who says, there aren't good peer-reviewed studies to prove vegtarian diet is more healthy than a good well balanced diet that includes meat. I think science studies showing the impact of diet has more to do with people being conscious than the adventist religion. I, also, don't tend to think people have generally "not cared" so much as not known. I used to consider myself health-conscious until I met an adventist. All I got was condemnation for my "poor" diet choices after that. (me and my size 6 frame coming from people who were easily in the 1-2X range). I just don't think there are enough adventists in our culture to make that kind of an impact. Even their beginning teachings were a spinoff of what was currently in the culture. They didn't begin anything new, per se, that I've seen. John Wesley of methodist fame had sermons against tobacco 100 years before "the great disappointment". Ron Numbers book "Prophetess of health" proves most of that quite definitively. |
Lynne
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Username: Lynne
Post Number: 426
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 3:24 pm: | |
Melissa,
I didn't say Adventists "are the reason" for a health conscious culture. But why be totally condemning? Are you saying they have made no postive impact anywhere in our culture? Are you saying all Adventists are EGW fanatics and 100 percent vegetarian?
I'm not coming from a place where I was an extremely strict Adventist, nor did I hang out with Adventists like that.
All I'm saying is that I don't believe the Adventist health message is 100% bad or that it didn't have a positive impact on some non-adventists. Nor was I saying that they have made a huge impact. But I have personally seen positive responses to the Adventist lifestyle from non Adventists.
That has been my experience. But I was not an isolated Adventist like some people here in this forum. I also knew a lot of non vegetarian Adventists, some of which were Pastors and their families.
I'm not condoning the Adventist religion or the church behind the church. The Ellen White below the surface and all the deception therein.
I'm not unrealistic.
Anyway, I just finished watching the Wizard of OZ, so I'm off to the Emerald City with Toto.
Tata for now
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Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 1040
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 07, 2006 - 5:33 pm: | |
I've spent portions of my life both ways, sometimes a vegetarian, sometimes not, mostly blending the two ideas, meaning limiting meat and maximizing fresh vegies and fruit. I still prefer that. I've always included cheese in my diet, however, so Ellen would be disturbed by that, I suppose.
It is possible to become a plus-sized person while eating too much of a good thing, and it is possible to remain trim while living on mostly meat and wine. Balance is what we all need.
If I limit meat, I find myself consuming more pasta, and that's too many carbs. I remember a time in my life when I ate whole meats, drank whole milk, enjoyed fresh vegies and fruits, and I wasn't at all concerned about my figure. I was younger, of course, and it was before the Golden Arches took over the American way of life, but my recollection is that when we were less worried about food, we had less to worry about. There were very few over-weight kids in my high school, now there are more than half of them with weight problems. There is something completely wrong going on, and it is more than any one ideology can deal with! |
Nicole
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Username: Nicole
Post Number: 8
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 7:03 am: | |
as a non-adventist, i can give you a perspective form the "outside". i married someone who was raised a devout sda (dad a pastor, mom extremely devout, both sides of the family sda). he was not practicing when i met him and doesn't today. however, he still kind of clings to some of the health messages (and other things)from his adventist upbringing. not for the health reasons necessarily, but because somehow he ties it into his salvation. he doesn't even consciously know he is doing it. it is sad to me. anyone who wants to find a healthy way of living can do that-it is everywhere. it is a choice and a lifestyle that will make you feel better and decrease the morbidity and mortality in our culture, but it will not get you to heaven (so to speak). that is the danger in it. it seems great from the outside until you realize how it actually ties one down spiritually. and again, as mentioned above, moderation is the key. i don't think most centurians are vegetarians. they have a balanced diet that seems to be low-cal with moderate activity throughout their lives. plus a healthy outlook on life i suppose. |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 4127
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 7:40 pm: | |
Interesting, Nicoleóyour perspective is enlightening.
I agree with you. I remember a former Adventist doctor in this area saying, a few years ago when this subject came up, that people who don't drink or smoke and who eat limited red meats but may eat fowl or fish have an equivalent life expectancy to Adventists. The biggest factor that makes the difference in these longevity studies is tobaccoófollowed by balance in the diet and moderation of the saturated fat.
The resistance to meat in Adentists is deepóthey do not realize how much they have attached the idea of meat to righteousness.
Colleen |
Agapetos
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Username: Agapetos
Post Number: 80
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 08, 2006 - 9:31 pm: | |
I thought I'd bring up that the Japanese have an incredibly long life-span, yet they eat raw fish, octopus, sea urchin, etc. Lots of Japanese smoke. Lots of people drink at the end of the day... for salary workers it's a norm to go out after work and drink---it's how they communicate deeply, I guess. "Nomi" is one of the words for "drink", so they call it "nomi-nication". :-P
Although the rising popularity of fast food is being tagged as one of the causes of the increasing size of the traditionally-small-and-slender Japanese figure. |
Agapetos
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Username: Agapetos
Post Number: 86
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 09, 2006 - 6:50 am: | |
How ironic. I came home tonight and my wife came to meet me at the subway station. But as she arrived ahead of me, she saw a taxi pull up and two nicely-dressed but very drunken ladies get out and commence throwing up into the gutter grates. We helped them home. It's not the first time we've tried to help severely inebriated people. Hey, it's a ministry! But anyway, yeah, I thought it funny that I wrote about it just earlier. And these ladies will probably easily live into or past their late 80s. |
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