| Author | Message | ||
| Zjason Registered user Username: Zjason Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2005 |
Ok, so maybe I have a shallow understanding of this, but from all appearances, Deut 14:26 does not condemn strong drink. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1031 Registered: 10-2004  |
Yes, you would be correct. And Strong's concordance gives the following definition for the Hebrew word translated "strong drink":
Even the SDA Biblical Research Institute admits that "strong drink" in the OT is an alcoholic beverage. Also, the Hebrew word for wine in that verse means fermented wine. This is the word that is used most often for wine in the OT. Here is Strong's definition for the word:
Jeremy | ||
| Anotherseeker Registered user Username: Anotherseeker Post Number: 32 Registered: 8-2005 |
When i saw the text on the discussion board just now i wondered if it was going to be this text. I came across this one early last year and had to double check...it made me smile. The part that tickled me was that they were told to take the tithe to purchase such drinks!! Well it just goes to show that when you serach the scripture's and take the time to ponder them.... YOU NEVER KNOW what you might find!!! | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2257 Registered: 3-2004  |
I was surprised and tickled also when I read the text in context. Diana | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1035 Registered: 10-2004 |
Yes, as I've said before but I'll say it again, the Biblical tithing system included consuming meat and alcohol. I wonder why the SDA church does not practice tithing according to the Bible's instructions? Hmm. Jeremy | ||
| Lindylou Registered user Username: Lindylou Post Number: 119 Registered: 1-2005  |
The NLT puts it this way: "Use the money to buy anything you want - an ox, sheep, some wine or beer... then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household!" Eat Drink and Be Merry! ( I can just see the eyebrows raised and the tongues a wagging over this thread!!  | ||
| Zjason Registered user Username: Zjason Post Number: 20 Registered: 11-2005 |
I think the KJV puts it as wine or strong drink. Hmmm. | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 279 Registered: 5-2004 |
This text and studying the view of wine in the Bible really seemed more "concrete" to me (something to fall back on when shaking my head over say, the Sabbath issue) when we first started studying. What a shocker!!! Praise God for His goodness and for supplying so much for our enjoyment | ||
| Jackob Registered user Username: Jackob Post Number: 84 Registered: 7-2005 |
My scholar "friend" has an explanation for this text. He said that the meaning of the word changed in time, from non-alcoholic to alcoholic beverages. Has anyone encounter this objection? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3312 Registered: 12-2003  |
Logic alone would discount that straw-man argument. The burden of proof is on him; ask him to show you when and how the meaning changed. If he can't show scholarship, his argument is just a smoke screen. In "Bible times" there was no consistent means of refrigeration. Natural fermentation preserved the wine and kept it fit to drink and possessed of its natural nutritional benefits. Further, natural fermentation tends to produce lower alchohol contents than does fermentation manipulated by human intervention. Colleen | ||
| Dt Registered user Username: Dt Post Number: 85 Registered: 4-2005 |
Exactly, Colleen. Jackob, ask him if he uses these same reasonings when reading Daniel or Hebrews. Otherwise, his religion is founded on shifting sand. Deut. 14:26 is such an interesting text. When I asked my MIL about that over the holidays (she is True Blue SDA) she said "You can make the Bible say anything you want it to say". Huh? For an exercise in being totally disconnected from reality look this text up in the SDA Bible Commentary. They admit it says what it obviously does, but say that God was indulging people or winking at their sinful lives and used as a text showing God's disfavor with alcohol the verse in Proverbs about wine being a mocker. SDA's always ask EGW what they believe first then make the Bible do contortions to fit. DT | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1043 Registered: 10-2004 |
Wow. I would like to ask them if God would have told them to commit any other sins and rejoice before the LORD? And if the words in the Bible originally had a different meaning that is now lost, then how can we trust the Bible at all? Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on February 02, 2006) | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1044 Registered: 10-2004 |
By the way, the fact that "strong drink" did indeed mean an alcoholic beverage, at least by the time of Eli and Hannah, is made crystal clear in 1 Samuel 1:15. And if the SDAs believe EGW that Nadab and Abihu were drunk and that is why God prohibited the priests from drinking "wine" or "strong drink" when they went into the tabernacle, then it would have to mean an alcoholic drink in Leviticus 10:9, before Deuteronomy was written! Jeremy | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3332 Registered: 12-2003 |
Well, Jeremy, I have known Adventists who really did believe that sex between a husband and a wife was an "allowed sin" that guaranteed the continuation of the race but was to be used sparingly otherwiseóand never on Sabbath. Of course, this conclusion results from applying Ellen's "light" to one's understanding of Scripture... Colleen | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2127 Registered: 11-2002 |
A long time ago was an article in the Review or the Recorder, I don't remember which one adressing the question if it was ok FOR MARRIED PEOPLE to engage in intimacy over the Sabbath. I remember just thinking that was way too corny. After all, didn't Adam and Eve have their honeymoon during that first seventh day of the week? | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2266 Registered: 3-2004 |
You have a good point there, Susan. I like that. I know for myself, EGW caused a lot of trouble in my marriage because I believed her. Thank God that is over, meaning my marriage and my relationship with the SDA church/EGW. I like that idea of every 3 years taking our tithe money and going on a vacation and treating many people to all kinds of food, drink, souvenirs, etc. I think someone else mentioned something about the GC and what they would do if all SDAs practiced tithing as the children of Israel did. It would be a very interesting situation. Our God is always so awesome. Diana | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1281 Registered: 3-2005 |
There is no way to get around the idea that God gave us the gift of fine wine. Adventism and a lot of evangelical Christianity just can't get over their hangups about this subject. I think Colleen illustrates this point very well. Yes, there are SDAs (and even so-called Christians--SDA is not unique) that think sex is a necessary evil to propagate the human race. God has given these gifts to the human race for our enjoyment. Just because both sex and wine can be abused doesn't make them sinful. I think gifts like these just make us appreciate our Creator and Redeemer even more. Stan | ||
| Jackob Registered user Username: Jackob Post Number: 86 Registered: 7-2005 |
Thanks a lot Jeremy for the examples of Nadab and Abihu. It's very clear, how can i missed that? | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2139 Registered: 11-2002 |
O.K., here's one of my favorite Bible passages. I actually have a lot of fun with this passage when the subject of booze comes up with my tea-totaling kin. They will squirm and try to weezle their way out of acknowledging that the text means what it says. Then I will ask them if they do or don't believe ALL the Bible is given by God from HIS divine inspiration. Here it is. Provberbs 31:3-7, NIV; "...do not spend your strength on women, your vigor on those who ruin kings. It is not for kings, O Lemuel to drink wine, not for rulers to crave beer, lest they drink and forget what the law decrees, and deprive all the oppressed of their rights. Give beer to those who are pershing, wine to those who are in anguish, let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more." Yep, friends, That is stright Bible Truth. | ||
| Russkellyphd Registered user Username: Russkellyphd Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2006 |
Although it was fermented, it was not distilled. I think that limits the alochol to about 5% for natural fermentation. At least it kills the germs and was safer than the filthy contaminated water. |
