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| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1242 Registered: 3-2005 |
I would like to put a plug in for what I believe is the best in Christian radio. As many of you know who have read my posts, I am a strong believer in the Protestant Reformation. As former SDAs, many of us have become liberated because of our discovery in the great truth that when we put our trust in Jesus for our salvation, then the righteousness of Christ is imputed to our account, and we are declared righteous by the God of heaven on account of the perfect life, death, and resurrection of Christ. This is the great doctrine that Luther said the Christian church rises or falls, and without there is no Christian church. But this doctrine has come under attack by those so-called Christian leaders who want to compromise with the false church of Rome. If you have never really studied the great truths of what Luther was talking about, and you want to really get to the bottom of what grace really is, and if you want a truly stimulating and interesting discussion on these issues then you must listen to the White Horse Inn and you can listen online at www.whitehorseinn.org This is a delightful roundtable discussion by four different Reformation scholars from different sectors of Reformation faith. They are entertaining! If you have thought of theology as being boring in the past, then, please give this a listen. You will also become fascinated by the riches of Reformation faith, and come away with even a greater appreciation of the fact that we are saved totally by grace through faith, and not of ourselves. In our FAF Bible study led by Richard and Colleen, we have been studying Romans over the last three years, and the ten months I have been attending, we have gone through Romans 9 and 10. This book is so rich. We are so blessed to have such great teaching. The White Horse Inn will be going through Romans during the entire year 2006. Welcome to the Reformation! Stan | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 108 Registered: 11-2005 |
Stan - this is a great link! Thank you. Gilbert (Message edited by jorgfe on January 29, 2006) | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1245 Registered: 3-2005 |
So much of SDA history has been tied up in a discussion of the definition of "Righteousness by faith". 1888 and Waggoner and Jones was interesting, but we don't have good records of what exactly their message was. Supposedly Ellen White had her "grace awakening" with that message. But even though Desmond Ford was most famous for challenging the 1844 IJ doctine, it was actually Ford who was challenging the SDA church for many years prior to 1979, as he was vigorously defending the Reformation gospel of Luther from Adventist Pelagianism (Pelagius was a heretic who taught works-salvation). The documentation for this interesting history is well written in a book by Geoffrey Paxton called "The Shaking of Adventism" which can be downloaded or read online at www.presenttruthmag.com/7dayadventist/shaking/index.html This book also documents so well how the SDA doctrine of righteousness by faith is really identical in a lot of ways to the Roman Council ot Trent, where the doctrine of faith plus works=justification is clearly taught. Rome also declared Luther to be a heretic and pronounced ANATHEMA on anyone who holds that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone on the account of Christ alone. It was this Paxton book that had a lifechanging impact on me as I came to realize that SDA was false in the same way Roman Catholicism is false. Last night on the White Horse Inn broadcast, the panelists documented how so much of current evangelical climate is being affected by Rome in the same way. A lot of doctrine is equivalent to Romanism except minus the priestly vestments and other trappings. Diettrich Bonhoeffer said about American religion "It is Protestantism without the Reformation". So, the Romans Revolution is designed to alert and educate the Christian church to get back to the great basic truths of salvation, which are sadly being ignored. There is also so much apathy out there over all of this. It is as if the "leaders" in the church today are saying "ho-hum" to all of this. In fact one of the most popular authors of all time, and considered by many as the most influential leader today (You can find out who I am talking about by listening to last night's show of WHI), has publically declared the Reformation essentially dead, and in his most popular book, he clearly states a semi-Pelagian view of salvation. Anyway, I hope to stimulate interest in this topic, as it really does relate to what went on in Adventism all of our lives. Stan | ||
| Jackob Registered user Username: Jackob Post Number: 83 Registered: 7-2005 |
Stan, Des Ford had tried to reconcile adventism with the gospel, and Jones and Waggoenr had tried to reconcile the gospel with adventism. Des Ford had tried to modify the adventism special "truths" to fit with the gospel; Jones and Waggoner had tried to modify the gospel to fit the adventist perspective. The 1888 message gives hope to the adventist mind, because it pretends to offer the power to keep the law, to have the key to full sanctification, faith. The faith is not a faith in the finished work of Jesus on the cross, but in the power of Jesus to finish His work of atonement. It's faith in what He would do IN US, not entirely in what He had done FOR US, on the cross. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1248 Registered: 3-2005 |
Good points Jackob. This mindset of Waggoner and Jones is the same mindset that produced all those Morris Venden books about "Faith that works". But again, this confuses justification and sanctification, just the way RCC does. This is therefore no gospel at all. Stan | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3304 Registered: 12-2003  |
Great points, Jackob. I have been so frustrated by the continuing obfuscation of Adventist theology behind "regular" evangelical vocabulary. All the talk of "righteousness by faith" and the 1888 movement bringing the gospel into Adventism has just been a layer of confusion on a theological system that hasn't changed. Colleen |
