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| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 795 Registered: 7-2004 |
Okay, a couple of months ago we learned that coffee is one of the best sources of anti-oxidants on the planet, now we learn that tea (black and green) are not only good sources of anit-oxidants, but also can protect women from ovarian cancer, an extremely deadly disease. What door was Ellen standing behind to get her message from the heavens about those two drinks being the witches brews that she made them out to be?!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 599 Registered: 7-2004 |
I don't think her messages were from the heavens...  | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1086 Registered: 3-2005 |
Belva, as time goes on Ellen continues to be proven wrong on her health advice. Tea, coffee, and red wine all have proven health benefits when taken in moderation. Stan | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1218 Registered: 7-2003  |
I would like for a study to prove my daily coke (the soda pop kind) has benefits ... besides to my tastebuds | ||
| Derrell Registered user Username: Derrell Post Number: 122 Registered: 10-2002 |
Melissa, Coke contains water, sugar (which comes primarily from beets), and other ingredients that are drawn from sources found in nature. You are getting mostly water and vegetables, so thats that. | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 135 Registered: 10-2005 |
Good! I drink 3 or 4 Large Javas every morning and have done so for years. Roma just didn't wake me up! I hate to say it, but Kelloggs Smart Start is a great source of anti-oxidents as well. It has been tried and proven by me to strengthen my immune system. I never get sick from colds when I eat it, really. However, there is a picture of a lady in a pink leotard on the box, and the box has quite a bit of pink on it, sorry guys.. I just don't think many guys would buy it because of that. Perhaps I just need stronger Java and then I could skip the cereal. | ||
| Derrell Registered user Username: Derrell Post Number: 126 Registered: 10-2002 |
Here's the ticket, Lynne. a) 1 bag Starbuck's Espresso coffee beans b) 1 grinder c) Just before going to bed at night, fill your coffee maker to 8 cups. d) Grind coffee beans to medium/fine, sufficient for three scoops. e) Put three scoops fresh ground espresso coffee in filter of choice. f) Set timer on coffee maker for five minutes before your morning alarm. g) Sleep well. h) Rise up in the morning to the glorious scent of Starbuck's Espresso wafting though your home. i) Put required amount of sugar and/or cream in favourite mug. Fill mug with fresh coffee and drink. j) Repeat step "i" until satisfied. After that, you can say, "the heck with cereal!" | ||
| Derrell Registered user Username: Derrell Post Number: 127 Registered: 10-2002 |
Belvalew said: "What door was Ellen standing behind to get her message from the heavens about those two drinks being the witches brews that she made them out to be?!!!!!!!!!!!" LOL!!!! If coffee and tea are witch's brews, then my ex would be one heck of a brew swilling witch... guess I would be too. | ||
| Javagirl Registered user Username: Javagirl Post Number: 115 Registered: 6-2005 |
Derrell, I couldnt agree more! I'm ready to go to sleep now, just so I can arise to the "glorious scent". "Java and Jehovah" time! as Jess and Bonnie call it. It doesnt get much better than that! | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 136 Registered: 10-2005 |
Derrell - That would really wake me up! But a great way to relax and wake up and start my day with God. Ellen White made the witches brew. She was a control freak with all those instructions. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3065 Registered: 12-2003  |
Ha! Love it, Belva--but maybe she did get her messages from "the heavens"--from "the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient," as Paul says in Ephesians 2:2. I've concluded that God absolutely intended for caffeine and the other trace chemicals in coffee, tea, and other plants as well to be part of our diet. He knew that in moderation these things would help us think clearly, provide energy, etc. Of COURSE He arranged for caffeine along with vitamins and anti-oxidants to be present in edible herbs! Colleen | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2097 Registered: 3-2004  |
That just reminded me that God made everything for a reason. Now, I do not know all the reasons, especially things like gnats, flies and fleas and mosquitos. They are so annoying. And as Colleen said He put all the trace elements and caffeine in our diet in one way or another, to be used in moderation. So I pray that I use these in moderation. As for who told EGW about tea and coffee, I tend to agree with Colleen. God, you surely are awesome. Diana | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2094 Registered: 11-2002 |
I went to Fox News last night and clickerd on the section about health updates. There just before my very eyes was some of the latest reasearch about the benefits of drinking tea. My favorite is by far oolang. I like coffee in the morning and tea in the afternoons and evenings. Yeah, EGW was and currently is a fraud. She said something about not drinking the drink of the Chinaman. It is just too corney to even give it the time of day. Yet, so many people fall for that line of bs. You can go to www.watchthetower.org and read about how years ago the Watchtower society published articles about how harmful aluminam is. You can actually see and read for yourself the articles the JW organization printed telling people to aboid aluminum. It's just so stupid that organizations whoase stated deal is to teach Christianity and Bible truth and they venture out into the neitherrhelm where they just plain have no business going into. Speeking of health issues I have a question. I was reading an article about Dr. Ben Carson. Now we all know he is one on the current darlings of Adventism. In the article it said that he was to preform a twin sseperation surgery on the following Saturday. It just seems to me that as old as these conjoined twins are the surgery to seperate them would not be what is considered medically as an emergency. So, how does he I was wondering fit elective surgery on Saturday into his religious convictions about observing the Sabbath. See, these sorts of inconsistancies never made since to me. However, having said that I realize Jesus preformed medical interventions on the Sabbath that were not medical emergencies. At the same time I also know the SDA organization and many SDA people impose rules above and beyond the example Jesus set on Sabbath conduct. It is o.k. I guess for a SDA doctor to preform elective surgery on Sabbath but not for people in other occuoations to do their work voluntarilly on the Sabbath. It just don't make no logical sense to me. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1091 Registered: 3-2005 |
Susan, I respect Dr. Ben Carson greatly. There is no doubt that he is a Christian physician. I would suspect that if I had the opportunity to question him closely on his actual beliefs, they may be more in the evangelical SDA mold, and he may not follow Sabath strictly. In the case of the special surgery on the Siamese twins, Saturday was probably the only convenient day they could tie up the O.R., and get all the other team of surgeons together. Stan | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 797 Registered: 7-2004 |
Speaking of things being arranged by God for the good of mankind, I have always found it interesting that the exact correct yeast required to ferment each grape variety is found on the skin of that particular variety of grape. Each grape needs a slightly different yeast to bring about the proper fermentation process, but most winemakers don't have to worry about adding it in, just need to make certain that the juice of the grape and the skin of the grape remain in close contact for a specified period of time during the wine-making process. Isn't God wonderful! | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1094 Registered: 3-2005 |
Yes, Belva, and even more amazing, it is the antioxidants in those grapeskins that helps give wine it's health benefits. Stan | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1221 Registered: 7-2003 |
Speaking of coffee as we sorta were, I got this great email story today and wanted to share.... I would love to see this done for my son's Sunday School class....annually. The Mayonnaise Jar and 2 Cups of Coffee When things in your life seem almost too much to handle, when 24 hours in a day are not enough, remember the mayonnaise jar and the 2 cups of coffee. A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, he wordlessly picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was. The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed that it was. The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar was full. The students responded with a unanimous "yes." The professor then produced two cups of coffee from under the table and poured the entire contents into the jar effectively filling the empty space between the sand. The students laughed. "Now," said the professor as the laughter subsided, "I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf balls are the important things--your spirituality, your family, your children, your health, your friends and your favorite passions--and if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house and your car. The sand is everything else--the small stuff." "If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff you will never have room for the things that are important to you. Pay attention to the things that are critical to your health and happiness. Play with your children. Take time to get medical checkups. Take your spouse out to dinner. Play another 18. There will always be time to clean the house and fix the disposal. Take care of the golf balls first--the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand." One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the coffee represented. The professor smiled. "I'm glad you asked. It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there's always room for a couple of cups of coffee with a friend." | ||
| Jwd Registered user Username: Jwd Post Number: 168 Registered: 4-2005  |
Javagirl, We love the title, "Java and Jehovah" time for our morning worship/devotional/study/discussion/sipping and hugging time! :c) I've wanted to ask a traditional Adventist WHO made the coffee bean, the tea leaves, and the grapes? Do they think Vons or Wal-mart or Albertson's? Why would God create something intended for human consumption KNOWING it was bad for humans? When medical studies come out like they have recently, showing scientific proof of the benefits of these things in moderation, Adventists have to take a very big breath, so they can hold it, while they stick their heads back into the sand and play Ostrich! "I don't know, BUT Ellen White said NO, NO!" That goes back to what I posted earlier. Someone has tagged it MORAL RELATIVISM: i.e., Belief in what you believe and want to believe regardless of evidence to the contrary." By the way, Richard was able to include my sweetie, Bonnie in a photo he now has on my posts. I wanted her to be with me, since she, apart from the Triune God, is my life, my joy, my most blessed gift and she supported me and walked with me, embracing the beauty of the authentic Gospel when I discovered it; and she walks with me now, in our study of Reformation theology and deeper revelations of "truth" as we continue to "unlearn" the false programming of our lives, in order to embrace the fullness of all Truth as it is in Jesus! Blessings to you, Jess | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3069 Registered: 12-2003 |
Love it, Melissa!! Colleen | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 600 Registered: 7-2004 |
Hello Jess and Luv, It is SOOOO good to see you! You still remain "cute" to me! Denise | ||
| Blacksheep Registered user Username: Blacksheep Post Number: 30 Registered: 3-2005 |
Melissa, Thanks for the coffee story. I get alot of Negatives about my coffee drinking from, you know uh Adventists. Now I have something to say back. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2096 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yes, Stan, I also have great respect for Dr. Carson. I have read and reread each of his books. The point I was trying to make is that the SDA church as an organization has one set of rules for some folks anda different set of rules for other members of the organization. I'll give you an example. I grew up in a way farout farming community. The few SDA families in that area were either farmers or farmhands. I qwent to the large SDA church in the city one week and the lesson as was common baxck then was on approiate Sabbath conduct. The concensous was that if at all possible SDA's should not be farmers becaquse the weather often causes people to have to out of necessity work on Sabbath. I was just appalled. Those very same folks saying this, some were actually in the medical field and I knew they were on call on Sabbath. Besides, don't they eat? Someone had to do the work to bring the food they bought at the market. i do really have a lot of respect for Dr. Carson. That is not the point I was trying to make. BTW, maybe our country should have a national Farmer Appriciation Day. | ||
| Olga Registered user Username: Olga Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2005 |
While SDA I drank coffee and tea with some amount of guilt but it was my way of waking up; I did wonder why would God make something in nature without having any purpose for it (though the coffee beans look really pretty). I thought of all the people that might need coffee/tea in order to do their jobs safely/more efficiently, for example: 1. Doctors/Nurses 2. Truck Drivers 3. Cab Drivers 4. Airline Pilots 5. Those in the Military 6. Scientists (those particularly who spend lots of hours researching the benefits of drinking coffee/tea) 7. Members of FAF who are led by the Spirit to wake up in the wee hours of the morning to pray, read the Word/read or post here; 8. Tired mommies like me and I'm sure others who wake up because their baby's ears hurt, their 3 year old had a nightmare, the older kid has the cold, you name it. 9. The Dunkin' Donuts workers who wake up before anyone else to get your coffee (and donuts) ready. 10. Anyone else who just had a bad night and couldn't sleep and is expected to just "suck it up" the next day. Can't think of anyone else who could use a cup or two of this 'sinfully' delicious and necessary hot potion (maybe it became sinful once humans discovered that adding ice and whipped cream to it made it a whole new pleasure of the flesh to contend with). Just my silly thoughts. Olga | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 521 Registered: 4-2000  |
SOY AND MSG Recent studies have determined that the high levels of "oxalates" in soy products tend to create kidney stones in those susceptible to having them. I only had one kidney stone so far, but I needed a lithotripsy procedure to get rid of it. Fortunately, I had no pain because it was too large to leave my kidney. However, smaller stones that pass through the urinary tract are known to be incredibly painful. Remember the SDA "China Doctor," Dr. Harry Miller? He was the highly-acclaimed goiter surgeon in China that promoted soy milk consumption. Consequently, goiters became an even a greater problem in China than before his arrival. To his credit, at least he knew how to surgically remove them. Several weeks ago, my wife wanted me to stop at the Adventist Book Center to pick up some McKay's Chicken Seasoning, a soup base, for making oatmeal burgers. Sylvia made these burgers saturated with this chicken seasoning that contained MSG. We enjoyed them very much. However, the next morning I awoke with blistering, itchy sores that didn't go away for two days. Now she makes oatmeal burgers without the MSG seasoning and I am not having any allergic reactions. In the height of my discomfort from sores, I lamented that "the Adventists are going to kill me yet." (smile) Obviously, I don't have the fortitude of Job. Indeed, the so-called "health foods" are often not very healthy after all. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3078 Registered: 12-2003 |
Great illustrations, Dennis! I'm sorry for your suffering, though. Colleen | ||
| Jwd Registered user Username: Jwd Post Number: 169 Registered: 4-2005 |
Dennis, Dr. Miller removed a goiter from my mother. He said of all the thousands of goiters he had removed, her's was the most challenging of his entire career to that time. He had to scrape her vocal chords to remove it all. Upon waking up he had to tell her she would never speak again. I shall never forget the day, some weeks after surgery at Mount Vernon, Ohio, when she let out a squeek. Her close friend who was caring for her and myself, joined in jumping up and down in laughter and excitement around the room. That squeek grew into a voice; not the strongest but eventually strong enough that no one took any notice of anything un-natural about her voice. I wrote to Dr. Miller years later, when I was an adult, and thanked him. I cherish his personally hand written reply to me. Jess p.s. I had a small kidney stone. The pain was non-ending. No break, just constant. I ended up on the back seat of our car rolling around groaning in agony as Bonnie drove and followed signs to a hospital during a visit in Seattle to check out possible surgery on our daughter's jaw at the U. of Washington Medical Center. The doctor told me in the E.R. that this is more painful than giving birth to a child. I would not insist it is true - - how can anyone prove that? But I do know I hope I never have to go through that again. We also have that in common! Jess |
