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| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 326 Registered: 7-2004  |
Guess I must be near the end of the "oldies", or else our church just kept up with the old stuff longer. When I was in Junior's, they used to write down on their little record card from the Conference how many people helped, number of clothes given away, etc., like Susan said. I remember asking the teacher at the time, "Aren't we supposed to do these things in secret and not be telling how much we've done?" I think the teacher responded that he agreed, but the conference likes to keep track of these things. I still stubbornly refused to report anything because I thought it went against the spirit of what we were supposed to be according to the Gospel. | ||
| Lisa_boyldavis Registered user Username: Lisa_boyldavis Post Number: 99 Registered: 3-2005 |
The note about trying to decide if a Presbyterian Church should be granted rental by an SDA church reminded me of the shock my husband and I got when we attended an SDA church that was meeting in an Assembly of God church. The Assembly had decided to allow this SDA congregation of 200 plus members to use the church for over 4 years as they were struggling to build a grand fancy church and NOT CHARGE A CENT as a gift to God. Can you imagine the Spirit of God keeping this Assembly content with sharing their space to programs and services off and on all week long for FOUR YEARS. I know I couldn't afford to be married in an SDA church due to the cost charged by the churches to use as a wedding, in an area that had a large number of SDA churches, but in thinking about it now, God looked ahead to our future and we were married in a beautiful Christian Church. I pray I'm that Iím generous when it comes time to share what I have. I also laughed my self into a stomachache reading this dialogue. About the progression of sin, I am finding that the actual facts are that sin starts with a bunch of outward "to do's" and wild rebellion follows. What really happens if you leave Adventism for the right reasons is that you find balance and control in your life you've never had because the Spirit is in control of your life, not a head over heals plummet into perdition. Lisa | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 327 Registered: 7-2004 |
Speaking of outward "to do's", I was uncomfortable with a video we had to watch at the Christian college I am enrolled in (for the introductory class to learn how to handle the adult professional studies program). It was about "building character." There was absolutely no mention of surrender to Jesus, transformation by the Holy Spirit, spending time in God's Word. Maybe I shouldn't expect such a mention at a Christian college? It was 100% behavioral modification steps. Apparently, you can automatically become anything if you make the way you want to act into a habit. It takes approximately 20 times of consistently acting a certain way for it to become a habit and be a natural part of you. I'm glad the Holy Spirit's transformation process works better! | ||
| Jwd Registered user Username: Jwd Post Number: 135 Registered: 4-2005 |
I guess since this started out discussing bacon, I might as well toss in a little "ham." Did you hear about the guy in Paris who almost got away with stealing several paintings from the Louvre? After planning the crime, getting in and out past security, he was captured only two blocks away when his SUV ran out of gas. When asked how he could mastermind such ! a crime and then make such an obvious error, he replied: "Monsieur, I had no Monet to buy Degas to make the Van Gogh." And you thought I lacked De Gaulle to post a story like this... LOL But Mary, you've done a trip on me with your C.S. Lewis (very great quote). But now, in addition to fighting against the normal lust so previlent with the male species; I NOW have to fight against lusting after forbidden food!!! Shame on you, Mary!! Jess | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 994 Registered: 3-2005 |
Raven, that building character video is typical of so-called Christian schools and churches who have traded the Bible, and the true fountain of knowledge which is Christ, for worldy psychology and self-help junk--much of it is very anti-Christian. Stan | ||
| Cy Registered user Username: Cy Post Number: 27 Registered: 1-2005 |
My in-laws are Presbyterian. They have been aware of my being an SDA and have, for the fifteen years that I've known them, always accomodated my dietary "needs" when we visited them by providing a beef entree for me when the main course was ham (the only time I've been a vegetarian was while I was in academy). They are aware of my journey out. Still, when we visited them a month ago, my FIL offered me a steak since they were having a ham. In one more example of my new understanding of salvation, I turned him down and joined in the ham feast :-) I imagine my wife will be very excited if I can learn to enjoy shrimp or other seafood, too. For the past fifteen years, Iíve only occasionally taken her to places like Red Lobster since I didnít find much there that I cared forÖ In Christ, Cy | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 356 Registered: 7-2004  |
Raven, dear, why is it I am not surprised you "stubbornly refused"? How old were you at the time? | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1991 Registered: 3-2004  |
Cy, While on my cruise a month ago, I had lobster and shrimp cocktails. They were DELICIOUS. I thanked God for my food and ate it. My sister was so glad I enjoyed it. She has not been SDA for years and I just left Adventism a year and 1/2 ago. Jwd, I like your French story. I learned to speak French when I lived in Quebec. I am so happy just reading all these post and have realized how many friends God has give to me. God you are awesome. Diana | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2005 |
I still like vegetarian foods. My kids still like big franks fried better than real hot dogs. But they don't like fried big franks better than bacon. I'll use up much of my pseudo vegetarian food. In our home we know that all food is a blessing, my husband grew up in a third world country. But my poor Baptist husband is still telling me that a vegetarian diet is good for us. He has been brainwashed as well in a subtle, deep way by me. I told him that I'm still being careful with my diet for health reasons, but that with the Holy Spirit in me, I'm feeling much healthier overall. My arthritis isn't bothering me and I'm not overconsuming meat. I'm just making up a little for not having it for a long time. I will have my husband take me to the Red Lobster for scallops in butter with shrimp cocktail, I haven't had them since the 70s. They were cheap then. But now that people think they are good, the prices went up. Believe me, we wont be offering any food as sacrifices though. | ||
| Tealeaves Registered user Username: Tealeaves Post Number: 257 Registered: 5-2004 |
My poor SDA Mother-in-law.... She is, of course, a religious vegetarian, but was just diagnosed with a gluten/wheat intolerance. So she doesn't eat meat, she can't eat fake meat, can't eat bread (unles she makes it herself out of rice or almond flour.) I am gluten intolerant as well, but I get by in public by eating the "Atkin's diet" choices available on many menus... meat and veggies. My mother-in-law is considering eating meat again, because her doctor's told her she needs the iron for her health. -tanya- | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2072 Registered: 11-2002 |
Speeking of food sacrifices-I lived for many years way far out in a rural area. The community was large in square miles and small in population. We had neighbors down the street who moved there from some outback part of Mexico. Everytime they'd get a new baby in the family, and, I know this because I was invited to attend their families numerous special occasions, upon the baptism of the new baby the dad would go to the local livestock auction and purchase a young goat. He then would hang the goat by its hind legs and the preist from the local Catholic church would come to the house and pray over and bless the goat. Then the dad would slit the goats throat and drain it'd blood koshur. Then the family would butcher the goat, have a big community barbeque in clebration of the babys baptism and everyone would eat and party and drink and celebrate. I asked some of my gringo Catholic friends and I was told that was a tradition very regional to those from that area in Mrexico. It was interesting. The peiest would read the passages about the animal sacrafice from the O.T. It was quite an interesting to be part of. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2902 Registered: 12-2003  |
OK, Ric and Raven, now I'm laughing! Speaking of gustatory forays...some friends are bringing meat loaf and barbeque sauce for lunch on Sunday. Richard will have his first beef experience! (This is all quite fun for those who know us; we're actually planning a group trip to In-n-Out Burger [you who live in California will understand!] for him to have his first hamburger. Such fun! Colleen | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 80 Registered: 10-2005 |
My husband came from another country where in celebration, they would kill pigs and eat them. Pigs multiply the fastest and are the most commonly eaten meat where he grew up. But he told me that often killing the pig was slow and painful for the animal. He has become more sensitive about it since he has lived here for many years. At family gatherings they still do this sometimes. You can imagine how I used to feel about it, but I tolerated it, I knew that it was just the culture. When my husband would speak in his language to his family about why I didn't eat it I would hear the word Adventist come out and I would go eat something else. I know it must taste good, but it still doesn't appeal to me too much. I'm too used to colorful packaging. | ||
| Violet Registered user Username: Violet Post Number: 315 Registered: 2-2001 |
Tealeaves, That is a good example of what happens when we add to the gospel. Now you mother-in-law is backed into a corner and her health needs to eat what is allowed by God but not allowed by man (the SDA church). | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 219 Registered: 2-2005 |
Colleen, Thanks for mentioning In-N-Out Burger...now I'm salivating like some Pavlovian dog! Whenever we get back home to CA for a visit I always make a break at some point and head on over to I-N-O for a Double Double, homemade fries and lemonade. A few thousand calories never killed anyone, right? Insist on a DD for Richard, no singles!!!!! Heretic | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2000 Registered: 3-2004 |
Colleen, Have fun and enjoy your I-N-O burgers. We have them here in Las Vegas and I pass one every time I go to the mall or to my bank. Tell Richard, for me, I pray and hope he enjoys the experience. Diana | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2914 Registered: 12-2003 |
Ha! I doubt he'd eat a DD. He did, however, find that meat loaf was quite delicious. He pronounced it good and its texture was the most "familiar" meat he has eaten so far. He said that it tasted much better than vegeburger! (Yep--just as we've been telling him!) We'll report here when we finally have our outing! Colleen | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 359 Registered: 1-2003  |
Colleen let me know when you take your fieldtrip to "in and out" Love to join all of you.  Richard rtruitt@mac.com | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2916 Registered: 12-2003 |
You're on! Colleen | ||
| Derrell Registered user Username: Derrell Post Number: 96 Registered: 10-2002 |
I'm not that fond of pork with a few exception, but as I'm writing there is an Angus beef roast in the oven with potatoes, carrots, red wine, balsamic vinegar, rosemary, sugar, garlic, Worstershire sauce, olive oil, and salt. The smells wafting out of my oven are unbearably delicious. |
