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Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 1019
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 7:12 am: |     |
On this day Nov. 19. 1483 Martin Luther was born. Just as the apostle Paul was God's chosen instrument to reveal the gospel of grace to the Gentiles, Luther was one of God's chosen instruments to restore this glorious gospel of Grace to the world. Luther's influence is immeasurable, and he is still respected and admired by all Bible believing Christians today.
As former Adventists, we are indebted to him for the freedom of the gospel. Many others have carried on this spirit since Luther's death. In Adventism, Desmond Ford had Luther's spirit in trying valiantly to restore the gospel of justification by faith alone to Adventists. Luther and Ford's message were certainly the biggest influences in my journey out of Adventism. Again, in this Thanksgiving season, we can all be thankful for what Luther and all the reformers did to restore the true gospel.
Stan |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 2018
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 8:17 am: | |
Thank you Stan for reminding us of the influence Martin Luther has had on us and all Christianity. You were reading a book about him. What is the name of the book and who is the author?
Diana |
Jackob
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Username: Jackob
Post Number: 43
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 8:28 am: | |
Yes, Stan, we all can be thankful. Today I caried a conversation with the scholar I have mentioned on this forum, and he said that no theology of covenants satisfied him. He said that apostle Paul makes an apology in Galatians, and for this cause he makes extreme statements, quotind texts from Old Testament out of context, to win his case. Poor Paul, I think, it will be better if we don't have these epistles. We will have also a big one and holy and apostolic church. No more problems, no more heretics. All it will be peace and quiet.
Sorry for being sda, but every saturday at my church I carry conversations in which people try to evade the problems, and look at them directly.At the end of the day I'm emotionally exhausted.
But I have something very good to be thankful. Today I broke my silence with my wife about what I think of the Sabbath. Even if she isn't prepared to think that adventism is totally wrong, she seems was not angry at me. I have also the ocassion to have a conversation abou the Sabbath, and she seemed willing to listen. Praise God, I'm very thankfull for this.
Jackob |
Javagirl
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Username: Javagirl
Post Number: 95
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 6:36 pm: | |
Jackob,
I appreciate your boldness, it inspires me. It is tough indeed to attend a church where your beliefs are at odds with some of the basic premises. Sometimes I am sure it would be easier to just walk away. I am praying diligently for guidance in this manner, for myself and for you.
Im so glad you were able to speak openly with your wife. I have finally quit agonizing about how much to say to my husband (a non-believer). I have surrendered the relationship to the Soverign God, and I just speak up whenever the Spirit moves me to talk. It's such a relief.
Stan, thanks for reminding us of Luther, It has really sparked my interest into studying his experience more, a subject I know next to nothing about, but I am intrigued, especially as you tie his ministry to that of the apostle Paul.
God Bless
JavaGirl |
Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 1020
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 12:07 am: | |
Diana and Javagirl, If you are interested in studying Luther's life more, I would recommend the biography I have been reading called "Martin Luther, a guided tour of his life and thoughts" by Stephen J. Nichols published by P&R publishing. It is very easy to read, and also includes the interesting lighter aspects of his life emphasizing his interest in the children. He also loved dogs! He was a great hymn writer with "A Mighty Fortress is our God" as an example. There are other good biographies that have been mentioned on other threads. There are now excellent English translations into modern English of his commentary on Galatians which is known as a classic. This work really goes into detail about how important the doctrine of justification by faith alone is.
Stan |
Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 1021
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 12:13 am: | |
Jackob, that "scholar" you are referring to just continues to want to create a god in his own image. As Rush Limbaugh says, "liberals do what liberals do". They try to find any reason not to accept the plain teaching of scripture. God bless you as you do battle. Praying for you and your wife.
Stan |
Jackob
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Username: Jackob
Post Number: 44
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 12:14 am: | |
So do I, it happens to speak, and I'm thankfull that it was at the right moment. I lay my burden to God, and He will guide me.
Yes, JavaGirl, it will be much easy to walk away, but not so easy, because I have still a adventist identity. God slowly change my identity. And in a day, I'll walk away, in a new church. I think that also my wife will be rescued, but she needs time to process things.
Jackob |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 2026
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 9:05 am: | |
Stan,
Thanks for the name of the book about Luther. I will see about getting it.
Jackob,
Your name is on my prayer list and I will remember you and your wife every day.
God thank you for all these peole exiting Adventism. Bring them close to you and you tell us you will not let us go. You are awesome.
Diana |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2947
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 6:59 pm: | |
Jackob, how wonderful that God has opened your eyes and you can see the truth of Jesus and His eternal commitment and eternal promises to humanity. Your 'scholar' friend is seriously trampling of God's word by accusing Paul of quoting the OT out of context to make a point.
It's amazing; when we have an unexamined belief system, we can't see that we read the bible in order to support it. When people read the Bible to discover truth and reality, the Holy Spirit reveals truth--and it never contradicts the Bible, nor does the Bible contradict itsef.
Truth is a paradox, and the Bible clearly teaches the truth about Jesus and God's relationship with us. We don't need to discount any author in order to support truth and reality.
Colleen |
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