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Lydell
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Username: Lydell
Post Number: 729
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 6:42 am: |     |
Personally, I think they don't live longer, it just feels like an eternity. I was reflecting earlier this week that we have now been attending our present church a bit longer than we attended SDA churches. The time seems to have flown by. Yet while we were SDA it CRAWLED at a crippled snails pace....and was miserable. |
Loneviking
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Post Number: 379
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 9:08 am: | |
The health study is also being used as a door to door missionary tool. Just yesterday, at my wifes' church, I saw a witnessing script using this health study. The basic pitch is 'SDA's are healtheir than most folks and wouldn't you like to know why? And have better health?'.
Then, the SDA visitor leaves a copy of 'Abundant Health' magazine which also has a card that can be removed and sent in for Bible studies.
What really irritated me is a sign that the local SDA church put up for the health seminar they are currently running. It read:
"Your body, God's temple. Health Seminar here."
Along with this, there are video discs out from (I think) Amazing Facts entitled 'A Biblical basis for vegetarianism'.
I don't think those folks are reading the same Bible I am! |
Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 740
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 9:15 am: | |
You can count on that fact. Their bible is "Counsels on Diet and Health" authored by Ellen White. As long as they insist on using her so-called writings as the lens through which they view scripture their entire approach, even to health, will be in disarray. |
Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 741
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 9:17 am: | |
Please excuse me, but this entire discussion on the amazing health of Seventh-day Adventists has wearied me so much that I think I'll go make myself a pot of coffee and munch on some bacon. You all have a nice day, now. |
Heretic
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Username: Heretic
Post Number: 217
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 9:42 am: | |
Uh oh! You're in for it, now, Belva. Doug says so in the AF study on healthful living:
quote:6. But I like pork. Will God destroy me if I eat it?
"For, behold, the Lord will come with fire ... and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves ... eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord." Isaiah 66:15-17.
Answer: This may be shocking, but it is true and must be told. The Bible positively states that all who eat "swine's flesh," the "mouse," and other unclean things that are an "abomination" will be destroyed with fire at the coming of the Lord. When God says to leave something alone and not eat it, we should by all means obey Him. After all, the mere eating of a piece of forbidden fruit by Adam and Eve, a sinless couple, brought sin and death to this world in the first place. Can anyone say it doesn't matter, when God so clearly shows it does? God says men will be destroyed because they "chose that in which I delighted not." Isaiah 66:4.
(Message edited by Heretic on November 11, 2005) |
Lynne
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Username: Lynne
Post Number: 78
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 9:51 am: | |
Yes, "will be destroyed with fire at the coming of the Lord." Didn't the Lord come? What does the NT say about food? It makes sense to me, anyone else? |
Susan_2
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Post Number: 2068
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:02 am: | |
Have any of you actually read Counsils on Diets and Health by E.G. White? I tried to once. When I got to the part where she says sugar and milk should never be eaten together because they turn into alcohol in the stomach I threw the book away. I couldn't get past wondering how come a lot of parents of young children aren't being stopped for deiving under the influence of ice cream while traveling with their kids. And, folks, this leads me right smack into something that I just abhoore about some of the SDA's I know. They will defend EGW to the hills. But, then when those really goofy statements are showed to them the response will always be, "Well, she just wrote what was believed at the time." Or, "We still have to use our own good judgement even in discerning her writings." etc. It just comes across tio me as such a cult way of thinking, letting the cult leader have so much control of even your own thinking. |
Heretic
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Username: Heretic
Post Number: 218
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:06 am: | |
Here was another interesting item further on down in that same study:
quote:6. Are health laws and eating and drinking really important to me personally? If I love the Lord, isn't that enough?
Romans 12:1
They are a matter of life versus death, because these laws involve obedience. "He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." Hebrews 5:9. "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:21. Love to Christ is involved here because He says, "If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14:15. When we truly love the Lord, we will gladly obey Him without dodging or making excuses. This is the supreme test.
Now will someone please explain to me how this can possibly avoid being construed as righteousness by works of the Law? This stands in direct opposition to righteousness by grace alone through faith.
Interesting use of the John reference here, I thought. Don't SDA's almost always use this text to mean only the 10 Commandments? I suppose it's okay to expand the text once in a while to include pet doctrines and/or to defend a beloved prophetess.
If your stomach can take it and you want case examples of blatant misrepresentations of God's Holy Word, you'll be amazed and astounded at: http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/study_guides.asp The one I've been quoting from is "God's Free Health Plan."
Heretic
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Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 742
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:23 am: | |
When I was a child of six I overheard my mother and my grandmother really going at it over the mixing of certain foods at one meal, such as eating fish while drinking a glass of milk with the meal, or (now remember, these are the recollections of a very young child) eating cherry pie with ice cream. It seems that mixing dairy with certain foods was detrimental to health in general.
Thanks for the reminder, Heretic, not to eat mice. Thank you, Lynne, for putting things in perspective time-wise. I don't even like pork bacon and prefer something that looks like it that is otherwise referred to as beef plate, or beef bacon. Neither of these things matter because I got distracted when I opened my fridge and ended up heating up a bowl of matzo-ball soup instead. I still need to put on the coffee pot.
The point I'm making is that Ellen's book created the types of discussions in our home, such as the one referenced above. My grandmother was really upset that my mother would serve cherry pie with a dollop of ice-cream on it. And it was bad enough that she served trout to her kids, but to give them a glass of milk along with the meal was to risk digestive catastrophe. The underlying guru for all that my grandmother had to say about food was EGW. That's really funny when I think about it because my grandmother used to keep a huge container of some gelatenous something or other in her fridge that was neither jelly or preserves nor jello, and she loved to eat it by the bowlful. It was bright red, very sweet, and definitely not of fruit origin.
I'm in no hurry to be the oldest person on my block. I've had enough accidents on bicycles, and turned ankles while hiking to have me in a permanently painful condition and the very thought of having to live for another 40 years this way scares the living daylights out of me. A healthy longevity is a great thing, but living for a long time just to say you did so doesn't really make sense to me. I've known a lot of very very old, very very miserable people, and I pray that is not the destiny the Lord has elected for me. |
Leigh
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Username: Leigh
Post Number: 49
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:40 am: | |
According to a Loma Linda study, Adventists have a higher incidence of prostate cancer and a significantly higher incidence of endometrial cancer.
I wonder what else we haven't been told.
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/59/5/1136S |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 1996
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 11, 2005 - 12:04 pm: | |
I am not the oldest person, but I just turned 65 on Nov 7. Now, I still work a full time job as a therapist, where I have to lift patients, sometimes with help if they are to big for me, and I do lots of walking. I was raised part vegetarian and part carnivorous(only the Biblical clean meats). If God sees fit that I stay healthy like I am right now, I would like that. So I will tell Him, right now, Thank You God for my health.
God you are awesome.
Diana |
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