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| Windmotion Registered user Username: Windmotion Post Number: 208 Registered: 6-2001  |
Proclaimation! magazine coming to a mailbox near you! Great article written by Chris Bunyan ... err ... Lee! Hope you all get it soon. My husband saw the ad for the FA conference and said he wants to go! so yay! if we can find the $$. I didn't even tell him about it because I was so sure he would absolutely not be interested considering the cost. Will there be any sort of childcare? Amazingly, Hannah | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2642 Registered: 12-2003  |
Hannah, great question. I'll look into it. The church does have the possibility of excellent childcare (all are trained, fingerprinted, etc.); I'll find out what's involved, what the cost would be, etc. How fun it would be to meet you! Hopefully, (sorry, I couldn't resist!) Colleen | ||
| Carol_2 Registered user Username: Carol_2 Post Number: 361 Registered: 2-2002  |
Jeannette - please check your e-mail and call or e-mail me today if possible. Pardon the interruption friends! | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 302 Registered: 7-2004  |
After reading the FAF Retreat announcement in the latest Proclamation, I had to smile at the request to indicate if vegetarian meals are desired. Let's see, do we have a category of "it depends"...? I'm willing to try some of the meat dishes, as long as it's not red meat, but want to fall back on vegetarian if necessary. That makes it a little complicated; it would probably be easier just to request vegetarian! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2668 Registered: 12-2003 |
Ha! You make me laugh, Raven--In general, we'd be serving chicken or turkey for the meat. I know how you feel! Even though I like beef, I always feel "safer" with white meat. I have a subliminal warning running through my brain telling me beef has too much fat in it.. Oh, my--the dietary challenges we face! Colleen | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1965 Registered: 11-2002 |
A very good friend of mine is a beef cattle rancher. She raises black angas. I but it from her a half of a beef at a time. It's wonderful meat.The last six weeks of the animals life they are totally grain fed. Maybe try going to a rancher to get your meat or to a meat market other than a supermarket, somewhere where you'll know the meat is very high quality. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 664 Registered: 1-2003 |
Every time I see my mother-in-law, she talks about mad cow. She is obsessed with it. She says the government is covering up all the "mad cows" out there and she isn't even drinking milk or eating cheese anymore. Susan, what does your rancher friend think about it? Is is a cover up? I was so proud of my daughter...she told her, "If the Lord wants me to die of Mad cow, I'll get it even if I never eat a bite of dairy or meat." I am so sick of worrying about diet! | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 555 Registered: 7-2004 |
Maybe I am way off but I have decided (I have no idea how I came to this belief) that buying organic, free range, natural (no hormones, no steriods) beef is more health than eating chicken (it is hard to find a store that sells this kind of beef). Of course, I do try and find free range chickens, also, but for some reason chickens seem "dirtier" than cows!  Some cuts of meat are lower fat than others and I always feel "better" that I BBQ as it seems better that the fat drips away rather than sitting in a pan collecting and bathing my supper. Am I showing my sheltered, vegetarian past with my ignorance? You health care workers set me straight! | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 997 Registered: 10-2004  |
I find it interesting that SDAs usually don't even consider organic dairy/meat as a healthy alternative, if they fear regular "mad cow" products. Organic should mean "mad cow free"! But it seems that they don't even consider it as an option. They want Ellen's prophecy to be fulfilled so badly, about dairy becoming unsafe, I guess. And so they become vegans and may not get proper nutrition. Dd, I believe it's safer to eat the meat and fat (good healthy natural food that God created) than to BBQ, especially with the cancer risk and all with eating BBQ. Jeremy P.S. Isn't it funny how we can't help having a food discussion on this forum almost at all times? (Message edited by Jeremy on October 05, 2005) | ||
| Patrickfoy Registered user Username: Patrickfoy Post Number: 31 Registered: 3-2004  |
Jeremy- There was a teacher that decided that she would teach her class the differences in certain religons. So she had each child bring something to share that showed their beliefs or heritage. On the day of sharing, the first child stood up and said, this is my yomika( excuse the spelling) I am Jewish. The second child stood up and said, this is my Roseary, I am Catholic. The next child stood up with a big smile on her face and said, this is my casserole dish, I am Seventhday Adventist. Heard it too long ago to really remember it. But thought it funny that you would think it funny to talk food. Patrick | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1969 Registered: 11-2002 |
Patrick, I'd heard it before. Onbe time manyt years ago, I guess in the late 1960's I went to church with my mom. My dad stayed home that day. Being board out of my mind I picked up the hymnal to page through. Then on the back of the inside cover someone very talented artist drew a cartoon. It was of two natives, you know the natives like we so often see in cartoons carrying a dead animal on a stick between them. Except these two had a can of Loma Linda Readyburger or something like that and in the caption above his head was written, "Um, Me likum vegeburger". Well, I was around 17 and I just burst out laughing. My mom took the hymnal from me to see what was so funny and she just burst out laughing. So me and my mom told my dad how funny it was and he came to church the next week. We went through every hymnal in the church and it was gone. I guess me and my mom made such a scene that someone went to our pew to see what was so funny. Pheeki, My friend gives all her animal the required vacanations. Her vet comes out to the ranch and does monthly checks on the animals. Her animals are extremely well taken care of and she charges a premian price for her beef. Also, I have SDA cousins who are very obsessed about mad cow. They insist mad cow proves EGW was a true prophet. | ||
| Wooliee Registered user Username: Wooliee Post Number: 47 Registered: 6-2005 |
Patrick, I almost snorted my coffee through my nose when I read your joke! My husband has always dreaded Adventist potlucks, and our church would have one nearly every week and every time they would try to strong arm us into staying. Older people can be very tough negotiators! Anyway, my husband is a "meat and potatoes" kind of guy, did not grow up Adventist, and he would always get sick to his stomach thinking of eating soy meat and all of the funky looking casseroles. He likes the saying: "No gravy, no meat, good Lord why eat?" Thankfully we had an understanding group of people who did not judge him for it, but they did like to tease him about it. One of our friends would even invite a group of people over and she made sure she cooked meat for the meat eaters and then something else for the vegetarians. We had such a wonderful church family there. Since I am reminiscing...I remember another time when I was a kid and some new people brought fried chicken to a potluck which made a few people gasp, but that chicken did not last long! It was a hit. I wonder if God gets a chuckle out of seeing a poor soul bringing fried chicken to an Adventist potluck? Not that He is laughing at the person, but that He knows it will cause a few hearts to flutter. I don't know...I think God must have a huge capacity for joy and laughter and seeing our feeble and sometimes humorous attempts to please him. Kind of like when a kid tries to please his parents by making them breakfast that turns out to be really horrible. Am I making any sense? I think I'll just go back to drinking my coffee now. Julie | ||
| Madelia Registered user Username: Madelia Post Number: 145 Registered: 2-2003 |
Oh, good, I'm glad Hannah asked about childcare, 'cause I was wondering about that too. Also, how close are the motels to the church? Are they within walking distance? And what is the nearest airport? | ||
| Patrickfoy Registered user Username: Patrickfoy Post Number: 32 Registered: 3-2004 |
Great stories, y'all. I remember one time in church(Adventist) I was in a really good mood and the pastor was preaching about not letting what goes into you, meaning meat or other unclean things, keep you from the kindom. That Saturday just happen to be pot luck and this old guy in the back of the little church I attended piped up and said" Yeah, well if eatting that crap my wife makes for you guy's is going to get me to the kingdom, I'm staying here" I started laughing and had to go outside. I was shunned the rest of the day. But, a few of the men there kind of gave me a wink. I have a hard time with people who pretent that they do one thing and really live another. I would say that I am pretty much straight forward, unless I know I am going to hurt someone. Then I try to just keep my mouth shut. I don't know much about the mad cow thing, but I have heard the various dicussions on the topic. I am not really worried about it, but you have to remember that there is an agenda with almost anything that you hear or see in the media. I am to the point where( like my Father used to say) I believe half of what I see and none of what I hear. All I know is I am free from the things of this world as long as I know and trust in my savior, Jesus Christ. Anyone have any info on the FAF conference? I don't see it in my copy of Proclamation. Love in Christ Patrick | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1097 Registered: 7-2003  |
Now, why would BBQ create cancer...isn't that the "original" way to cook meat?? Government studies I've read, where the government tests for residues and chemicals, says there are no more harmful components in the non-organic than the organic and sometimes organic actually has more e-coli contamination than non...now that relates to vegetables. I don't know that they've test organic meats. Mind you my experiences with SDA is limited, but one time we were at some camp for a "retreat" and while they didn't destroy the pancakes, I swear that if you'd turned out the lights the pudding would have glowed in the dark. It was anything but "natural". What do you make pudding from if not milk and eggs?? Fortunately for me, I'd planned ahead and had my own stash of food in a cooler in the car ... I guess I'd just been around B too long to trust the meals to someone else! | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 998 Registered: 10-2004 |
Melissa, I've heard that mad cow does not spread to organic animals because they must be fed a 100% vegetarian diet, and they are not allowed to feed them ground-up dead animals, which can spread mad cow disease. Jeremy | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2673 Registered: 12-2003 |
Patrick, the FAF conference announcement is on page 18 of the Sept/October Proclamation. There will soon be a complete announcement on this website along with a way to register online. Trinity Church is setting up online registration for us (you can also mail your registration to Life Assurance Ministries), and we might even have it up by tomorrow. For sure (I think!) it'll be up by Monday. Madelia, I'm working on the childcare issue. I can't pursue it further until next week because some key people are out of town, but we'll let you know. How old are your children? The motels are about 3 or 5 miles from the church; the nearest airport is Ontario about 20 miles west of Redlands or so. Colleen | ||
| Dt Registered user Username: Dt Post Number: 63 Registered: 4-2005 |
It is my understanding that ground-up animal by-products have been outlawed from being fed to meat-producing animals in the USA and Canada for quite a few years now. I know quite a few cattle people and none of them are worried about getting a mad cow animal. By the way, when SDA's start talking about EGW's prophecies being fulfilled, it is fun to ask if they really think milk and meat products are less safe to eat now than then. Remember, when she first started harping on milk, eggs, cheese and meats there were no meat inspectors, no pasteurization or homogenization, no refrigeration, no antibiotics etc. If she had such a direct pipeline to God, why didn't He tell her about such simple health procedures as Pasteurization, water sanitation etc? Many more lives could have been saved from Typhoid and other dread diseases than have ever been saved by vegeburgers. Just think of the credibility she could have gained if she had only told people how to avoid typhoid fever by simple water sanitation. Her first big vision on health was in 1863, the middle of the Civil War. Tens of thousands of soldiers died from these diseases during the war. | ||
| Buzz Registered user Username: Buzz Post Number: 14 Registered: 3-2005 |
I wonder when someone will come down with mad choplet, fri chik, or cottage cheese loaf disease with all of the un-organic hydrogenated poison in that stuff? New Proclamation is great! Thanks | ||
| Patrickfoy Registered user Username: Patrickfoy Post Number: 34 Registered: 3-2004 |
Buzz- That is so funny!! I think that maybe I could of contracted one of those diseases like fri-chik can syndome or vegi can winny brain damage. I'm not sure , But I feel much better now that the Lord is actually my physician. Thank the Lord that I am saved from all that canned junk food. Colleen- where is this going to be held(FAF) and when. I am excited about trying to attend. But I am in Wesley Chapel, Florida, which is basically Zephryhills, Florida. It will be a long haul and with things the way they are I need to start saving for the drive. If you could, e-mail me direct regarding special music or anything else I could do to help the conference. Loving the Lord Patrick |
