| Author | Message | ||
| Brian3 Registered user Username: Brian3 Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2005 |
I received this little book today from ìThe Universal Publishing ASSNî in Exeter, MO it is also labeled ìTract No. 6, Series Aî. Did Anybody else? While I donít have a problem refuting the misinterpretation of ì2300 Daysî, to ì2300 Yearsî. It does talk about 2 thrones in heaven. 1 in paradise, that Christ sits down next to, and 1 in the sanctuary, that Christ stands before. Can somebody shed some light on this for me? Brian | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 638 Registered: 3-2005 |
Brian, I think that publishing house is from an SDA offshoot organization, either the Davidians, or Shepherd's Rod. I've gotten their junk in the mail several times, but of course it ends up in the round file after I shred it. Stan | ||
| Marcell Registered user Username: Marcell Post Number: 51 Registered: 4-2004 |
I got this too and immedieatly sat down and wrote them a very, ahem, straitforward letter demanding that they take me off the mailing list and not to send me ANYTHING whatsoever that references EGW. I have no patience for this stuff anymore. I asked them to please actually ready the scriptures. think it will work? hehe. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2411 Registered: 12-2003  |
You make me chuckle, Marcell! Let us know if you happen to get a response. I understand completely the feelings that motivated your letter. Colleen | ||
| Mrsbrian3 Registered user Username: Mrsbrian3 Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2005 |
I'm so relieved to hear that someone else received the document. My husband (Brian3) thought my mom had signed us up! I guess he'll have to let her off the hook now ... although I wouldn't put it past her ... bless her dear, confused (however well-meaning) heart. Kim | ||
| Mrsbrian3 Registered user Username: Mrsbrian3 Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2005 |
Marcell, I am so relieved to hear that someone else received the propoganda. My husband (Brian3) thought my mom had signed us up! I guess he'll have to let her off the hook now ... although I wouldn't put it past her ... bless her dear, confused (however well-meaning) heart. Kim | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 979 Registered: 7-2003  |
Hah, that made me chuckle......welcome Kim! Chris Lee Lincoln, NE | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1783 Registered: 3-2004  |
Welcom to FAF Kim. Let us know more about you, when you can. God is so good and so awesome. Diana | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2414 Registered: 12-2003 |
Welcome, Kim! We're delighted that you're here, and we look forward to getting to know you! Colleen | ||
| Alnadean Registered user Username: Alnadean Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2005 |
Hi all, Everytime I read my bible now since the SDA facade wore off on the 4th of August 05. I am amazed that all these things were actually in the Bible with the clear meaning. My parents are very schooled in Adventism. My father has been the first elder for 9 consecutive years; my mother has put on the final garb for translation- vegetarianism and unfortunately has gained nothing but weight because she certainly dosen't have peace of mind. None of them know that I have these thoughts about the beloved 'religion' as a matter of fact I'm a little scared that one if not both will die of a heart attack. I have been arming myself because when I do tell them I will have to approach them like Nathan approached David. Ofcourse that will be about as easy as using a ladder to climb to heaven, but I do not want them to think when I'm through in their bed at night that their child (the one considered most religious) is going to hell. I know my mother she will pray like there's no tommorow, yesterday, nor today. You know the Bible says do not swear, but I know I've sworn up and down that there is no way I would ever leave the adventist church- men have tried to marry me outside the church and I always knew I would only marry an adventist. I have never dated outside the church because what would be the point. Ironically now I do not want to go near an adventist. I do not want the near impossible task of reteaching anyone- not to mention I do not want to 'keep the sabbath' ever again- not on this earth anyways. I can't think of a greater burden. I used to gladly do it 'for God and salvation' but by the end of the day on August 4th - me a staunch adventist- as touching the law 'blameless' happily took off the yolk. I felt slight guilt that it was so easy. Anyway I will have to perform some 'de-adventist magic' to get my parents to see the Bible in its true and clear light under the guidance of the Holy Spirit as opposed to the 'white spirit' Needless to say I better go study the tactics of Nathan some more. God bless Al-nadean | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 988 Registered: 7-2003 |
Welcome Al-nadean! It is good hear a little bit about your experience. I would be interested to hear more about what you experienced on Aug. 4. Was it something in particular that you read or experienced? I'm looking forward to hearing more from you. Chris | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2417 Registered: 12-2003 |
Al-nadean, I'm so happy to see you here! I think a whole lot of us know EXACTLY how you feel right now as you realize you have been set free in Jesus, but your parents will think you've fallen overboard from the good ship Zion. I realize that this is your second post--I haven't seen your first one yet--but, unless you've already told it, I'd love to hear your story about what happened on August 4. That was only two weeks ago! You will experience many emotions as you navigate these new waters. Remember to stay grounded in Scripture and to pray. You will be tempted by doubt and feelings of guilt-especially as you talk to your parents--but remember that for those who are in Christ Jesus, there is now NO condemnation! No matter what they say to you, no matter what doubts assail you, you can KNOW that Jesus holds you securely, and He will bring you into a safe harbor. Fellowship in the body of Christ is an astonishing blessing. There is nothing like it in Adventism. To be united by the Holy Spirit instead of by a common culture is a completely new thing. Praise God for bringing you to Himself! Colleen | ||
| Mrsbrian3 Registered user Username: Mrsbrian3 Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2005 |
Al-nadean, (I'll apologize now. This is long and it rambles.) My husband (Brian3) and I went through this process with our families earlier this month. It is hands-down the most difficult thing we've ever had to do. My mom is a very strict, vegan, letter-of-the-law type SDA. Needless to say, sheís not a lot of fun, bless her heart. Friendships are difficult to maintain because she doesnít interact with non-SDAs unless she is trying to convert them. Her world revolves around reading her Bible, watching 3ABN, her children and grandchildren. (Lately Iíve begun to wonder how she could spend so much time reading her Bible and not see that it doesnít agree with EGW or SDA.) Her health is not good and like you, I worry what my departure from ìthe truthî and ìthe remnantî will do to her physically. As she is adept at making me feel guilty and I am adept at taking on that guilt and submitting my will to hers, I decided to give her a letter, with back-up documentation, supporting my changes. The very night I was struggling with when to give her the letter, I found a text Ö Matthew 10:37 Ö ìHe who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.î I wasnít even reading Matthew at the time! The text popped up in a commentary by Luther on Ephesians. God sent it to me just when I needed it. In fact, He sent the whole book. About two weeks before this incident, I was standing in a Christian book store looking for a commentary on Ephesians. There are LOTS of them. They lined the wall in front of me and behind me. I didnít know which one to pick, so I asked God to point me to the right book for me and my situation. I turned around and there was a book pulled out from all the others. I swear it wasnít pulled out like that before. Iím certain that I looked at that shelf. Needless to say, as I ran to find Brian3 and show him what had happened (before someone re-filed the book), I had tears in my eyes and goose bumps on my arms! But I digress Ö In the letter I pointed out the journey over the last year began with reading Tesa and Arthur Beemís letter to their church and family (Ainít the internet wonderful?) and ended with us leaving the SDA church and pulling her 10-year-old grandson out of the SDA school-system. (Tesa and Arthur are classmates from academy and college days.) We attached three strong, Biblical documents to the letter that supported the positions we outlined. We offered to study with her Ö not debate Ö study. So far she wonít discuss anything with us. I know sheís read the letter, because she had my brother ask me about her ìSDA booksî to make sure that I hadnít thrown them away. My response was that while I had lost all respect for EGW, I still respected mom and therefore would not throw her books out. They are, however, boxed up and off our bookshelves. The good news is that despite the initial fear and sadness it was the right thing to do. I wouldnít change the fact that I shared it with her rather than trying to conceal it and remain silent. Occasionally the devil gets to me, but most of the time I have a great peace about the whole situation. Iím quite sure the peace is from the Holy Spirit, because Iíve never had a peace like this at any time when I disagreed with my mom. You just didnít disagree with mom when I was growing up. We were truly the ìif mama ainít happy ainít nobody happyî home personified! If you find any of that ìde-adventist magicî, send some my way. As with many others on this forum, my heart is heavy for my family and friends. It seems the SDAs around us either have EGW so deeply engrained that they canít fathom that she is wrong or they really donít care and donít see the importance of leaving the SDA church just because they donít believe everything they teach. It can get lonely, but God is good. Get out there and start making new friends immediately! From what Iíve read on this forum, it seems somebody is always going through what weíre going through and can provide encouragement or theyíve already gone through it and can provide that wisdom that only comes from hindsight! God bless you. Kim | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 523 Registered: 7-2004 |
Al-nadean, So good to see you here. Welcome. I feel I must comment on your "I do not want to keep the Sabbath ever again" comment: ON AUGUST 5, 2005, YOU BEGAN TO KEEP THE SABBATH THE WAY GOD INTENDED!! Praise Him! The rest (or the "keeping" of the Sabbath) we have in Jesus is when we accept Him as our LORD and Savior! In the book of Hebrews, Jesus is a better Sabbath then the literal one-day-a-week rest. He is our rest today and everyday we trust in Him. He is the true temple, the true Passover, the true law and the true Sabbath! You are in my prayers as you work through the issue of parents (it is something I still do almost 2 years later!). Denise | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 928 Registered: 10-2004  |
Al-nadean and Kim, Welcome to the forum! What interesting and inspiring posts! Thank you for sharing. God bless, Jeremy | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 611 Registered: 7-2004 |
This is a heart-felt welcome to all of the new people posting here at FAF. Reading your posts puts the taste of newness of faith back into my mouth. Actually it never really leaves because once you have supped at the Lord's table, you just don't want to eat anywhere else, ever again. Alnadean, I'll pray that you meet a wonderful man who shares your confidence in Jesus. I will also pray that your overtures to your parents will be responded to. Here on the forum we only recently have commented on the fact that the only people who can take that next step of faith -- the one you took on August 4 -- are those who were searching the scriptures because they loved the Lord while still SDA's. It is a perfect set-up for studying your way out of SDA and into Christ. My prayer is that this is the condition your parents will find themselves in, and that God will use you as light for their path. Trust also, that if they just can't handle receiving the light from you that God will shine on them anyway, for some other source. Trust and pray. Belva | ||
| Javagirl Registered user Username: Javagirl Post Number: 43 Registered: 6-2005 |
Kim welcome. Are we sisters?? We seem to have the same mom... Im not "out" yet, and still attend the SDA church most of the time, and dont know where I will end up worshipping. In any case, Im not ready to rock the boat yet with my parents. My dad is so very ill, too ill to talk except for grunts. I wish he could talk to me. It just occurred to me that I never once have heard him refer to EGW in any way! I have this fear that if I voice my questions, or speak of my growing convictions, that my mother will rant and rave and cry to him for hours on end about his "lost daughter" (speaking over the 3ABN broadcast of course). He can hear, even if he cant speak, and gets upset when she is upset. I hate the thought of his last time on this earth to be having to deal with that! I do read the King James to him, and sometimes he completes a text with a word or two! I speak to him all the time about heaven and Jesus and all that is to come. Sometimes he smiles. Sometimes he cries. Nonetheless, he is a wonderful Christian man, (yes he is SDA), and the finest example of unconditional love that many, many on this earth have ever seen. Please pray that I am receptive to the guiding of Holy Spirit regarding potential discussions with my family. Welcome AL-nadean, I sure do relate to your feelings. Would love to hear your story. Hugs and prayers. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1788 Registered: 3-2004 |
Another welcome to FAF Al-Nadean. God has brought you here, like he has each of us. Just pray and pray and pray and pray some more for your parents. Then read and study your Bible and get really grounded in Jesus Christ and what the Bible teaches. God will let you know when to tell your parents. Javagirl, God will let you know when to move on also. Continue praying for your parents and love them as Jesus wants us to love each other. Glad you are both here. Diana | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2418 Registered: 12-2003 |
Kim, thank you for sharing your story. I loved your story of the Ephesians commentary. I completely know that God guides us to what He wants us to read when we're trusting Him to show us. During our intensive study that led us out, God consistently brought books to my attention that were exactly what I needed to read. Often they were books in my own bookcase that I'd never read. I was always amazed that when I needed to learn something in particular, God always made sure I learned it. soemtimes it was through a book or and insight into Bible passages; often He seemed to confirm new insights by various preachers on Christian radio who just "happened" to be discussing what I'd been dealing with in my own mind recently. I am in awe of how He personally guides us. Javagirl, God will guide you, Remember, if your dad is truly a Christian who loves Jesus, God can guard his heart if you talk to your mom and him. You can trust Him with the timing and with your parents' reactions. He is faithful. Colleen | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 993 Registered: 7-2003 |
Kim, since you're studying Ephesians you may enjoy this line by line sermon series through the book of Ephesians. This series was taught by Pastor Bryan Clark at Lincoln Berean Church. Pastor Clark was instrumental in encouraging us to form a local FAF chapter in Lincoln. You can download the study guides, transcripts, and mp3 audio for free here: EPHESIANS. Chris |
