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| Jan Registered user Username: Jan Post Number: 40 Registered: 1-2005 |
On the REVIVAL thread they are all in agreement with EGW that Scripture is thought-inspired. Although this has probably been discussed here many times, what texts do you use to prove word-inspiration? And does everyone here believe that? | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 992 Registered: 7-2003  |
Well, here's a good one to start with.
Chris | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 930 Registered: 10-2004  |
Jan, I believe the vast majority of us on here believe in the inerrancy and verbal inspiration of the Bible. Here are a few texts which are helpful: Proverbs 30:5-6, Revelation 22:18-19, 2 Peter 3:2, and Matthew 5:18. That last one proves that, according to Jesus Himself, not only is the Bible word-inspired, but every single letter and grammatical mark is inspired--in other words, everything that was written down, every single detail, was inspired by the Holy Spirit! Also, check out the following link for some more texts, etc.: http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=19373 Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on August 17, 2005) | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 931 Registered: 10-2004 |
WOW, I was looking at the thread on Revival Sermons about word inspiration, and I came across this shocking post by "ejclark":
Jeremy | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 613 Registered: 7-2004 |
I don't want to get involved in a lot of hair-splitting, by the Holy Spirit is every bit as much God as God, and every bit as much God as Jesus is God. The three serve different aspects, true, but as God, they are one in purpose. | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 997 Registered: 7-2003 |
Belvalew, I would go far beyond saying that the Father, Son, and Spirit are one in purpose. They are certainly that, but they are also one in BEING. There is only one single being that is God (YWHW). The one single being that is YWHW eternally exist in three persons, the Father, Son, and Spirit. The Father, Son, and Spirit are one single God, one in being, one in substance. Deuteronomy 6:4 (NIV) Hear, O Israel: The LORD [Hebrew: YHWH] our God, the LORD [Hebrew: YHWH] is one. Deuteronomy 4:35 (NIV) You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD [Hebrew: YHWH] is God; besides him there is no other. Deuteronomy 4:39 (NIV) 39 Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the LORD [Hebrew: YHWH] is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other. Chris | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 223 Registered: 8-2004 |
I like the example once given, about the trinity: "In God's dimension, so to speak, you find a being who is three Persons while remaining one Being, just as a cube is six squares while remaining one cube." Mere Christianity, bk. iv, ch. 2, p. 128 | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2421 Registered: 12-2003  |
Hey, Helovesme2, it's good to see you here again!! Thanks for the great CS Lewis quote above! Colleen | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 448 Registered: 4-2000  |
The theory of "thought inspiration" is simply an alibi (akin to the Investigative Judgment) to validate Ellen White's writings in SDA dogma. Since it takes words to comprise thoughts, very few Adventists would be willing to even think about deleting their favorite words in Scripture (e. g., the words "sabbath" and "tithe") to maintain their mindset. Indeed, words do make a difference for them. Truly, individual words are very important to them after all. Again, they speak out of both sides of their mouths. Playing with our minds seems to be their expertise. Amazingly and paradoxically, they often don't believe what they claim to fervently believe. Christ-followers have always recognized that individual words in Scripture are frequently salvific. Furthermore, their "thought inspiration" theory is contrary to all linguistics. How can an educated person believe such nonsense? Dennis J. Fischer | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 2424 Registered: 12-2003 |
Dennis, good points. I hadn't thought before about the fact that Adventists do make arguments to defend the literal words they revere. You're so right; they speak out of both sides of their mouths, and their arguments are truly non-logical. Thanks. Colleen | ||
| Cindy Registered user Username: Cindy Post Number: 765 Registered: 7-2000 |
Yes Dennis, As you say, (in regards to "SDA dogma"), "playing with our minds seems to be their expertise". So true. The "double-speak" that is so much a part of it can really drive one crazy...if one ever really tries to evangelize others into the "system". But the large majority don't bother themselves with analyzing doctrines much; they just immerse themselves in the social/cultural aspects, I believe. grace, cindy | ||
| Loneviking Registered user Username: Loneviking Post Number: 366 Registered: 7-2000 |
The issue of thought inspiration was the final straw for me and led me to leave the SDA church. One of the inevitable conclusions of thought inspiration is that there has to be error in the Bible since the 'thoughts' came through fallen man. In turn, that brings up the question/issue of just how serious are these errors? The SDA church hastens to add that none of these errors are such that they would affect any doctrinal point---but who decides what effect an error has never mind if it is indeed an error? The answer is that the SDA church decides, just as the Catholic church decided what was doctrinally sound during the Middle Ages. I believe that this is why scholars are so revered in the SDA church---they have the answers and the rest of the SDA members are uneducated peons---so let us tell you what you should believe. During the Middle Ages the Catholic church chained the Bible to the wall inside the church. The Bible was thus made unavailable to the common folk---after all, only the priests were qualified to teach what the Bible said. The SDA church, by espousing the doctrine of thought inspiration, has symbolically chained the Bible to the wall by making the understanding of it impossible without a scholars degree. It's just one more way that the SDA church mirrors their arch enemy, the Roman Catholic church. | ||
| Cindy Registered user Username: Cindy Post Number: 777 Registered: 7-2000 |
Excellent observations, Lonevikeing...(Bill?) And so true, "that the SDA church mirrors their arch enemy, the Roman Catholic church." I know of one former Catholic priest, turned Adventist pastor, then former Adventist...who has taught against these two religious systems for many years, many times noting the similarities among the two religions. grace, cindy | ||
| Dt Registered user Username: Dt Post Number: 57 Registered: 4-2005 |
Dennis, Those are such great points! You have a way of sorting through the confusion and condensing a jumble of thoughts and statements into a just a few clear sentences. Thanks. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 676 Registered: 3-2005 |
Cindy, I would like more info on that former Catholic priest then turned SDA pastor who is now teaching against both systems. That is fascinating! Is there a web link for his ministry? Stan | ||
| Cindy Registered user Username: Cindy Post Number: 781 Registered: 7-2000 |
Stan, His name is Dr. Bartholomew Brewer...last I heard a few years back he was located in San Diego, having seminars around the country--focusing on the errors of Catholicism. He noted being a "Converted Discalced Carmelite Friar & Priest" and always, "A debtor to mercy and grace". I have a phone # and will try to get some recent info...web link or something. grace always, cindy |
