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Cindy
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Username: Cindy
Post Number: 779
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 4:47 pm: |     |
Richard, Your report was inspiring to read! Who were the sponsors/organizers of those meetings?
grace,
cindy
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Tisha
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Username: Tisha
Post Number: 123
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 12:27 pm: | |
I just got back from a weekend away (the fishing was great!). Now I'm catching up on the forum again.
Jess - I'd love to bake those cookies and join you and Bonnie for "Jehovah and Java"!
I love all that I'm learning and want to learn more and more. But the difference between pre-SDA and post-SDA is so amazing. Pre-SDA it was all about knowing everything so I could be sure I had the "truth" and could maybe be good enough (sh-sh - to be saved?). Now, post-SDA, it is because I get so excited about learning more. But Jesus is the only thing I need. It is so SIMPLE! I KNOW I'M SAVED! As Lindylou said - Jesus is my ONE solid rock. Praise the Lord!
tisha |
Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 688
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 8:36 pm: | |
Last night on the Reformation radio show www.whitehorseinn.org,( where you can listen to an archived discussion anytime) the topic was unity in doctrine. There have been studies conducted where churches tried to unify on the basis of doing good humanitarian works, but those efforts have ultimately failed because these same people would then realize that they were much more unified on common doctrine. But what was stressed on this show, was the importance of the great Reformation doctrine of justification by faith alone. It is incredible how this simple doctrine that you would think most evangelicals would care about or believe has become so muddled by most evangelicals. Something like 80% of so-called evangelicals when randomly sampled at an evangelical convention stated that justification meant being made righteous! The other almost 20% could not give a clear statement on this. They actually believe in Romanism (which Michael Horton and the panelists said is the religion of the natural man--and of course ditto SDA). They made the point if man is allowed any small part in helping to save himself, then this is no gospel at all. Amen to that. Romanism and Adventism is nothing more than what Paul was condemning in the strongest possible of language in Gal. 1:8,9, it is Galatianism and a false gospel. Anyway these panelists are great to listen to. Chris, I know you have heard some of these shows, and I know of a few others who have heard them also. The Christian community needs to think clearly on these issues. It is shocking to see how many professing Christians can't articulate the very basics of the faith.
Stan |
Chris
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Username: Chris
Post Number: 1003
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 7:24 am: | |
Stan, yes I love the White Horse Inn broadcast. The panel format works very well and the commentators are extremely knowledgable and articulate. I can join you in heartily recommneding this program. In fact, I think I'll head over there now and have a listen while I go about my work.
Chris |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2448
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 11:21 am: | |
I agree, Stan, that it is shocking to see how many Christians can't truly explain the essential facts of the gospel. My experience with freshman students at Arrowhead Christian Academy is that most kids in Christian homes grow up with a heavy dose of needing to "be good" to "honor Jesus".
Now, I believe in kids being obedient and responsive to authority. but that is not antithetical to knowing we are justified solely by God's grace poured out on us through Jesus.
I know I keep beating this drum, but I believe the enemy has been hugely successful, at least in the American church, at obscuring the profundity of the gospel and Jesus' death and resurrection. He's managed to obscure the total paradigm shift of the New Covenant.
I believe that God is teaching many of us who have been steeped in law-keeping that He is out Living Torah, our Living Law, and we answer only to Him. All of those who learn and embrace this astonishing truth help to bring life back into the church in places where it has been sleeping.
Colleen |
Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 1013
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 3:27 pm: | |
That is one thing I've been somewhat shocked with as i've encountered SDA teens...they know what their religion teaches. They may not understand it, but they can spout the party lines and recite the statements they've been taught. I've always attributed it to the fact they live, eat and breath adventism in a way most Christian kids don't, especially in public schools where they don't have "Bible" classes. I've been trying to figure out how to teach my 12-year old "Christian Basics" in a way that he will retain and be interesting...and not too demanding time-wise since I have that little 2 year old too! |
Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 715
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 11:16 am: | |
What is Reformation faith? Do you think of the five Solas? Here is a statement of faith signed by the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals re-affirming what Reformation faith is, and what it is not. Is this statement too narrow, or too controversial? I would be interested in your comments. This statement does ring true for me. www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/cambridgedeclaration.html
Stan |
Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 716
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 12:23 pm: | |
It is also interesting how many of the signers of the above referenced document also disagree on points such as the Sabbath or Sunday Sabbatarianism. Here is a very fascinating open letter that John Reisinger wrote to R.C. Sproul when Sproul unfairly criticized Reisinger of antinomianism when Reisinger says the decalogue, but specifically the Sabbath, is no longer binding. Reisinger points out that Luther, Calvin, John MacArthur, and even the late James Montgomery Boice did not affirm any doctrine of Sabbatarianism! Wow, this is great reading as Sproul is being called on the carpet for his narrow Westminster Confession--rather than Biblical view of the Sabbath! www.soundofgrace.com/jgr/index074.htm This letter exposes the inconsistencies of some in the Reformed movement.
Stan |
Cindy
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Username: Cindy
Post Number: 791
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 9:21 pm: | |
Thanks, Stan, this is "great reading"!
It is good to read of others who disagree with the Westminster Confessions' view on Sabbath/Sunday keeping being a continued requirement for New Covenant believers.
It was always a frustration to me to hear the gospel so clearly preached in the couple of Presbyterian churches I attended often during the '90's...yet still have to occasionally endure Sunday "observance" being preached.
grace,
cindy |
Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 719
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 10:54 pm: | |
Cindy,
What was your experience with Dr. Boice? It looks like from the article posted above, that he broke from the Westminster Confession regarding Sabbatarianism.
Stan |
Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 725
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 5:48 pm: | |
For anyone interested, R.C. Sproul is Hank Hanegraf's guest on the Bible Answer Man today and tomorrow 8/31.
Stan |
