| Author | Message | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 873 Registered: 7-2003  |
Javagirl, when you get done reading Galatians, let me heartily recommend the following sermon series (linked): GALATIANS It's tour de force of line by line exegetical teaching, and best of all, you can download audio, transcripts, and study guides all for free! Enjoy, and may the Lord Jesus richly bless you in your study. Chris | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 485 Registered: 3-2005 |
Kae, Welcome to FAF! Your story sounds very interesting. I look forward to hearing more of your story. Stan | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 124 Registered: 2-2005 |
Chris, I have to give a hearty Amen! to your recommendation. I listened to the first couple of the series last night and loved them. He may as well be speaking directly to SDA's in that first sermon. I've got the rest burned onto CD's so I can listen to them on our roadtrip this weekend but I still need to get the Ephesians series burned tonight as I'm sure I'll get through Galatians quickly. Do you know who the other "pastor across town" is whom Bryan Clark speaks of? Happy 4th, people. And God Bless America! Heretic | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 874 Registered: 7-2003 |
No, I'm not sure which pastor he was speaking about, but I can tell you that Bryan Clark is very aware that he lives in a SDA Mecca and that many SDAs find their way into the Saturday night service (Berean holds one Sat. and three Sun.). It was Pastor Clark who was insturmental in initiating the Lincoln FAF. The summer that Pastor Clark taught this series on Galatians my wife and I were just transitioning, we sat in the audience on Sat. nights, then invited some SDA friends to attend with us, then both families transitioned to Sunday morning and right out of Adventism. This series was very insturmental in the transition. Chris | ||
| Randyg Registered user Username: Randyg Post Number: 45 Registered: 12-2004 |
I just finished reading the Friday night devotional from the GC on the official SDA church website. The speaker, a Richard Davidson has many good things to say regarding resting in Christ however fails to accept complete freedom from the bondage of the law. He is halfway there, yet continues to focus on the legalistic understanding of the Sabbath,all be it sugar coated. Tommorrow we get the EGW resolution, I can't wait. Randy | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 815 Registered: 10-2004  |
I've been looking through Richard Davidson's talk just now, and it is interesting. But wow, something just jumped out at me! He says:
He was either sloppy in his research or this is intentional deceit. He is correct, of course, that the Hebrew word used in Exodus 20:10 is shabbat (sabbath). BUT, the Hebrew word used in Genesis 2:2 and Exodus 31:17 is NOT shabbat (sabbath)!!! It is a totally different Hebrew word, shabath. And this guy is from their Andrews Seminary! I have to wonder if he was just not careful enough (since the two words are similar), or if this was deliberate deceit. He tries to make people think that Genesis uses the word for Sabbath (the same word that the 4th commandment uses), when it simply does not. Nowhere does the Bible say that God "sabbathed" (or "shabbated"). Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on July 02, 2005) | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 876 Registered: 7-2003 |
Nor did God rest mentally and physically. God does not grow mentally or physically tired. God ceased creating. This should not be construed to mean He needed a rest. Davidson seems to be confused in that he seems to imply that God is a physical being rather than a spiritual being. Chris | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 816 Registered: 10-2004 |
Great points, Chris. It seems the belief that God is physical is very prevalent in SDAism, and it comes straight from EGW. Jeremy | ||
| Patriar Registered user Username: Patriar Post Number: 94 Registered: 3-2005 |
I pray it was not intentional deceit. Though I have a hard time believing otherwise considering the research that has been done within the church AND considering they're using New Testament terminology such as resting in Christ. Have I grown jaded? Patria | ||
| Benevento Registered user Username: Benevento Post Number: 18 Registered: 4-2005 |
Dd I want to commend you for trying to understand your paents and I think you are right, they were taught not to queston and they don't-- my sister in laws just could not comprehend what I was talking about, I was just wrong. And remember since they know they have the "truth" and you have left it, it is so painful for them. One of my s-i-l's actually read in Proclaimation! about how the Sabbath was more important to SDA's than Jesus and she agreed with it! I was surprised at her reaction--but she wouldn't concentrate on a doctrine like the two covenants, or IJ--we simply are not honoring our parents by leaving. | ||
| Benevento Registered user Username: Benevento Post Number: 19 Registered: 4-2005 |
Chris I was invited to the local SDA church by a friend for the SS and they said it wasnt the church quarterly so I attended. And it was Galations--I loved it, but couldn't believe how so many could read it and not see or understand what Paul was saying! But that convinced me!! When I finish Colleen's Roman's I'll tackle that Galations study. You certainly have some interesting links. Thanks You live in the Lincoln area I gather? A pastor and family we were good friends with in California is moving to Lincoln and will be teaching Bible at Union College. He said he was going to teach church history, so I asked him about Historical SDA or Early Church--He will be teaching both.I am sad for them, they have somehow convinced themselves they are right or so it seems. | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 877 Registered: 7-2003 |
Yes, I live in Lincoln. I wonder if your pastor friend is coming to replace the UC Bible teacher/pastor who just resigned and went to work for a mainline church here in town. Chris | ||
| Benevento Registered user Username: Benevento Post Number: 20 Registered: 4-2005 |
His name is Ed Allen, his wife is a psychologist and is planning to set up a private practice in Lincoln--he didn't say who he was replacing.They have three girls, the youngest has been attending PUC. That is interesting that the teacher stayed right there!!Good for him!! I can just imagine the shunning!!! | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 825 Registered: 10-2004 |
They passed the EGW resolution at the GC Session today. And their message is clear: don't you dare question Ellen; she is a prophet of God.
Jesus says that at the end of time there will be many FALSE prophets that will have great signs and wonders and deceive many!! They seem to completely ignore that and other Bible passages, including 1 John 4:1 (NASB): "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."
But Ellen G. White herself disagreed with that!! She said that she herself COULD DEFINE what is truth!!:
Ellen G. White herself made these claims and statements! How can they just ignore them?? The Adventist News Network article also says:
The "supreme rule" but not the ONLY rule. They are still not sola scriptura. Here is the link to the actual EGW resolution that they just passed: http://news.adventist.org/specials/2005/gcsession/voted_docs/spirit-of-prophecy.html There is a mention of God's "remnant people" in there. I wonder if that is due to people pointing out that the Bible does not talk about a "Remnant Church"? Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on July 03, 2005) | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 826 Registered: 10-2004 |
The second half of the EGW resolution states:
Compare that with the second half of their resolution about the Bible:
Notice how the urging of specific individuals and church leaders to engage in and promote EGW study is missing for the Bible! Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on July 03, 2005) | ||
| Benevento Registered user Username: Benevento Post Number: 21 Registered: 4-2005 |
I am so glad I left before they did this!! I would have been very depressed if I had stayed. I wonder how all those people feel who really think EGW is a fraud and continue to stay. I attended church today, and they had communion, it was open--but no foot washing. Then I wondered if the foot washing was part of the ceremony, because Jesus took the bead and wine and said to do this in remembrance of Him--do any of you have thoughts on that--we (I) take what we have always done so for granted, I hadn't even thought about it. The Sunday School class was on Paul, and one comment was while Paul brought the message to the Gentiles, he was sad because his fellow Jews were so slow in accepting Jesus--I think we feel the same way about our loved ones, and the SDA church in general. I really have no hope for the church to change, I believe this has to be an indiviaual experience, with a few rare exceptions when a whole church has left. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 492 Registered: 3-2005 |
Jeremy, The statement from GC using Wayne Grudem to justify the gift of prophecy similar to the way EGW used it is simply another example of how dishonest the SDA leadership is. I have just read the entire section of Grudem's systematic theology pp 1049-1061 on the gift of prophecy, and there is nothing even remotely justifying the use of the so-called gift of prophecy the way EGW has been used. Here is one of Grudem's statements on page 1055, "4. How Should We Speak About the Authority of Prophecy Today? So prophecies in the church today should be considered merely human words, NOT GOD'S WORDS IN AUTHORITY. (emphasis mine) EGW clearly said her words were equally authoritative to scripture. To use the authority of Wayne Grudem to build up EGW is just another part of "The White Lie" that this denomination has been propagating for 160 years! Stan | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 827 Registered: 10-2004 |
Yes, Stan, I also thought that was horrific what they did using Grudem to uphold EGW! They've always done things like that all the time, "using/misusing/abusing/twisting" the writings of evangelical Christians to try to defend their heretical and cultic beliefs and make it look as if evangelicals AGREE WITH THEM! It is so sickening. And they also made it sound like they are the same as "many evangelical churches" with regards to prophets/prophecy! Benevento, Foot washing was never meant to be a ceremonial ritual. Jesus just wanted us to serve one another, not do some ritual that is now meaningless in our culture. SDAs even make sure that their feet are totally clean before they come to church and let someone "wash" them!  Jesus told Peter that since he had had a bath he only needed his feet washed--so in other words, if you're whole body (including your feet) is clean, then you don't need your feet washed! Washing each other's feet is no longer "serving one another." Instead of doing such a ritual people should be actually serving one another--not doing something most of them hate, like "washing" each other's clean feet! Jeremy | ||
| Lydell Registered user Username: Lydell Post Number: 694 Registered: 7-2000 |
Well, I'm part of an evangelical church that believes that the gift of prophecy is still for the church today. And we certainly don't view some individual with a prophetic gift as having the ability to interpret scripture for us! Nor do we take our doctrines from the writings of a prophet. Sheesh....what a crock the SDA's continue to put out. As you said Jeremy, they are always trying to make themselves appear like a normal evangelical church. Benevento, on the most rare of occassions a Christian church might do a footwashing service. But it is more a thing of historical interest, viewed as being a unique experience, not a common one. My husband is leading a small group right now, forget who it is that put out the materials, our subject is "growing in Christ together". They suggest the possability of doing a footwashing service at some point during the study....along with several other suggestions to take or leave. Hubby and I both saw that suggestion and immediately said, "ewwwwww no way....no thank you!" ha Our experience was that the "foot washing service" in Adventism was always a vehicle for someone to put on display how "righteous" they were, or else to shun someone. sick sick | ||
| Wooliee Registered user Username: Wooliee Post Number: 18 Registered: 6-2005 |
I guess I view foot washing differently. I've always seen it as a humbling experience in that if Jesus in all of His glory, majesty, and holiness could wash His disciples' dirty feet, then I could wash the feet of my husband or a little old lady who always came to church alone. Also, I think my feet ugly and it is humbling for me to let someone else wash them! Julie |
