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| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 198 Registered: 8-2004 |
Just curious. Are you sure it was "Singing Youth"? What I remember was "Youth Sings". Maybe they're two separate books. Mary | ||
| Carol_2 Registered user Username: Carol_2 Post Number: 322 Registered: 2-2002  |
You made me chuckle Colleen! You and I sound alike when it comes to sports. In a golf class in academy, I don't know if I ever once hit the ball when I swung. Also, in a public junior high school we were playing flag football, and I actually got a hold of the ball and scored a touchdown for the opposing team. Then, as an adult I played on a co-ed softball team with the church for a while. They'd put me way out in the field, and if the ball came my way, I'd make a rush for it, acting like I was going to try & catch it, but always hold back enough so that I wouldn't reach it in time. I never had the courage to try and catch it. It's probably a good thing, because if I'd ever had to throw the ball to anyone, I would have REALLY embarrassed myself. I somehow manage to throw balls almost opposite of my goal. | ||
| Drpatti Registered user Username: Drpatti Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2005 |
It is a matter of integrity. As a musician, composer, and author of choral textbooks, I use a lot of poetry from various poets. Sometimes I find it necessary to alter the words of a poem. When I do, I always say, "Edited by..." That would have been the honest and ethical and forthright thing for the editors of the SDA hymnal to do. As Ellen felt no need to acknowledge her borrowing and paraphrasing, I suppose this habit has been carried forth in her children. It seems that God's "only true remnant" is accountable to no man. Sigh.... | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 440 Registered: 6-2004 |
Colleen...can we call you "Bat Girl" ? :-) | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1976 Registered: 12-2003  |
I'm laughing again, Pw!!  Mary, I remember a "Youth Sings" as well--although I don't remember how I knew it. I have a copy of "Singing Youth"--it is the book we used in Sabbath School and school. The book I have is falling apart, and the copyright date is missing, but the forward declares, "A new and revised songbook for youth prepared by the General Conference Missionary Volunteer Department for use in Missionary Volunteer Societies, Youth congresses and rallies, Camp meetings, Summer training camps, Youth divisions of the Sabbath school, Junior divisions of the Sabbath school, Colleges, academies, church schools, and the home. An excellent collection of old hymns, new compositions, and choruses, with a large section of secular songs under the subtopics of camping, nature, and the out-of-doors. That Singing Youth may inspire and delight young people everywhere is the sincere wish of The Songbook Committee. Incidentally, I just looked at #4 in this book. In small print, under the title, it says, "Copyright 1923, by Young People's Missionary Volunteer Department of S.D.A.". The words were by A.W. Spalding, music by H.A. Miller. I'd never realized before that this song was specifically written for the MV Society. Patti, great observation. You're right about their seeing no need to acknowledge their own editing--if they began acknowledging it in the hymns, they'd have an even harder time justifying it in Ellen's works. This way everyone can be equally oblivious and unaccountable... I am just so thankful for Jesus and for the truth He reveals. Colleen | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 304 Registered: 3-2005 |
Yes, oh the "Singing Youth" and summer camps--Thanks for the memories. When you mention the secular songs at the back, I can't help but laughing, when there was one song about a cat--but I will spare you the words except "her fur was silver gray". They had to stop singing that song, because some very precocious boys got a different meaning out of the song, and their catcalls and laughing wouldn't stop, so they stopped taking requests for that one. Stan | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 669 Registered: 10-2004  |
Hmmm. We have a book called Advent Youth Sing, copyright 1977. Were there 3 different books? Jeremy | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 199 Registered: 8-2004 |
:-) I think Advent Youth Sing is probably the one I'm remembering. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1977 Registered: 12-2003 |
I'm obviously remembering a much OLDER book!! Colleen | ||
| Drpatti Registered user Username: Drpatti Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2005 |
Colleen, I posted this above. I don't know if you saw it or not:
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| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1502 Registered: 3-2004  |
Colleen, I had to laugh when you mentioned you and sports. That was me also. Only it started in first grade and did not end until I did certain exercises and got more coordinated as an adult. In my possessions somewhere I have some old SDA youth song books, and I am older than you. They are from the late 60s. I looked for them the other night and could not find them. I think they are in my trunk and I do not open that unless I have to. Some day I will look and see what they are and how the songs differ. It never ceases to amaze me how other peoples work and words can be taken and twisted and no one is accountable. I guess because it started with EGW, it is okay to continue it and not come out with the truth. Thank God, He took me out of that bondage and brought me into His awesome arms. I like it there, even when times are difficult. He will not drop me. He is awesome. Diana | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1506 Registered: 3-2004 |
My friend in Texas sent this to me and I thought all of you older and younger ones would enjoy it. Sing it out LOUD and enjoy. Senior version of Jesus Loves Me A pastor once stated, "I always noticed that its was the adults who chose the children's hymn 'Jesus Loves Me' (for the children of course) during a hymn sing, and it was the adults who sang the loudest because I could see they knew it the best." Here is a new version just for us who have white hair, or no hair at all. For us over 40 (or even those almost there) and all you others...Check out this newest version of "Jesus Loves Me." It is quite cute, so read, sing and enjoy:" JESUS LOVES ME Jesus loves me, this I know, Though my hair is white as snow. Though my sight is growing dim, Still He bids me trust in Him. (CHORUS) YES, JESUS LOVES ME... YES, JESUS LOVES ME... YES, JESUS LOVES ME FOR THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO. Though my steps are oh, so slow, With my hand in His I'll go. On through life, let come what may, He'll be there to lead the way. (CHORUS) Though I am no longer young, I have much which He's begun. Let me serve Christ with a smile, Go with others the extra mile. (CHORUS) When the nights are dark and long, In my heart He puts a song. Telling me in words so clear, "Have no fear, for I am near." (CHORUS) When my work on earth is done, And life's victories have been won. He will take me home above, Then I'll understand His love. (CHORUS) I love Jesus, does he know? Have I ever told Him so? Jesus loves to hear me say, That I love Him every day. If you think this is neat, please pass it on to all of your friends. If you do not pass it on, nothing bad will happen, but you will have missed an opportunity to "Reach out and Touch" a friend or a loved one. God Bless Us All !!! Diana | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1981 Registered: 12-2003 |
Patti, thanks for reminding me--I forgot to look up Standing on the Promises. It was not included in the 1941 version of the SDA hymnal, but it is #518 in the 1985 hymnal. Verse two of the original hymn (as well as of the SDA version) begins this way: Standing on the promises that cannot fail, When the howling storms of doubt and fear assail What is different (besides substituting "God" for "Christ" in the chorus) though, is that in the SDA hymnal verse four of the original hymn is omitted. Here it is: Standing on the promises I cannot fall, Listening every moment to the Spirit's call, Resting in my Savior as my all in all, Standing on the promises of God. It's easy to see why this verse was omitted: "I cannot fall," focus on living by the Spirit ("listening every moment to the Spirit's call"), and my Savior is my ALL-IN-ALL! None of these ideas "works" within Adventism. Praise God for removing the veil! (And thank you, Diana, for the wonderful "senior" version of Jesus Loves Me!) Colleen | ||
| Tisha Registered user Username: Tisha Post Number: 60 Registered: 3-2005 |
Diana - thanks for that great senior version! I love it. I sing "Jesus Loves Me" to my grandbaby every day and she just loves it (and so do I!). Now I can sing the senior version when she's not around to sing to! She is one year old today! Boy, did this year go by fast! She took her first steps yesterday. Her Mommy and Daddy were both home and they got it on video! I got to see it when I got home from work - it is so precious. Tonight we are having a birthday party for her. I can hardly wait to get off work! I told someone yesterday, when they were asking if I was going to Graduate School, that no, all I want to do is retire, be a Gramma, and plant flowers! Oh, if life were so simple! -tisha | ||
| Drpatti Registered user Username: Drpatti Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2005 |
Must Jesus Bear the Cross Alone? Second Verse: How happy are the saints above, Who once went sorrowing here! But now they taste unmingled love, And joy without a tear. Second verse omitted in 1941 SDA hymnal | ||
| Tisha Registered user Username: Tisha Post Number: 62 Registered: 3-2005 |
But, of course! That doesn't fit with their view of death! -tisha | ||
| Drpatti Registered user Username: Drpatti Post Number: 16 Registered: 4-2005 |
Jesus, I My Cross Have Taken 1. Jesus, I my cross have taken, All to leave and follow Thee. Destitute, despised, forsaken, Thou from hence my all shall be. Perish every fond ambition, All Iíve sought or hoped or known. Yet how rich is my condition! God and heaven are still my own. SDA doctored version 1. Jesus, I my cross have taken, All to leave and follow Thee. Destitute, despised, forsaken, Thou from hence my all shall be. Perish every fond ambition, All Iíve sought or hoped or known. Yet how rich is my condition! While I prove the Lord my own. | ||
| Drpatti Registered user Username: Drpatti Post Number: 17 Registered: 4-2005 |
Jesus, the Very Thought of Thee Jesus, our only joy be Thou, As Thou our prize will be; Jesus be Thou our glory now, And through eternity. SDA doctored version Jesus, our only joy be Thou, As Thou our prize will be; In Thee be all our glory now, And through eternity. This is an interesting alteration. Were they trying to say that Jesus Himself is not our glory? Or was it just a quirk? Any thoughts? | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 311 Registered: 3-2005 |
Drpatti, Thanks for all these examples. The one that gets me the most is that line "While I prove the Lord my own". What else is there to prove that Adventism is a salvation by works system? It comes out in the hymnody for sure. What Hymnal was that song in? Stan | ||
| Drpatti Registered user Username: Drpatti Post Number: 18 Registered: 4-2005 |
Christ, the Lord is risen today Soar we now where Christ hath led, Alleluia! Following our exalted Head, Alleluia! Made like Him, like Him we rise, Alleluia! Ours the cross, the grave, the skies, Alleluia! SDA doctored version Soar we then where Christ hath led, Alleluia! Following our exalted Head, Alleluia! Made like Him, like Him we rise, Alleluia! Ours the cross, the grave, the skies, Alleluia! There are a lot of verses to this poem by Charles Wesley, so I don't fault the editors for not using them all. But they obviously could not use these: But the pains that He endured, Alleluia! Our salvation has procured, Alleluia! Now above the sky Heís King, Alleluia! Where the angels ever sing. Alleluia! Jesus Christ is risen today, Alleluia! Our triumphant holy day, Alleluia! Who did once upon the cross, Alleluia! Suffer to redeem our loss. Alleluia! |
