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| Jan Registered user Username: Jan Post Number: 25 Registered: 1-2005 |
Can anyone tell me something about the Adventist writer and speaker Roger Mourneau? (sp?)) What I remember from his video story was that he was a practicing Satanist who was told by demons to stay away from Seventh-day Adventists. Then he became one and wrote several books on prayer. (He has passed away.) | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 571 Registered: 10-2004  |
As far as I know, he practiced and taught New Age-type stuff. I think his books had all kinds of weird stuff in them. My guess is that he never actually quit practicing Satanism, even if he didn't realize it. Jeremy EDIT: Here's a link to more info on Roger Morneau, from a historical SDA perspective: Click Here (Message edited by jeremy on April 15, 2005) | ||
| Somethinfishy Registered user Username: Somethinfishy Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2004 |
Interesting quote from that review... "As you know, this designation is given to inexpensive volumes, which our people should pur‚chase and share with their neighbors, as an en‚tering wedge to convert them to our beliefs." No mention of converting people to Jesus, of showing them His sacrifice and their need of salvation...no, we must "convert them to our beliefs," AND, we need "an entering wedge" to do so. Fishy | ||
| Jan Registered user Username: Jan Post Number: 26 Registered: 1-2005 |
Thanks, Jeremy. I was amazed by all that information. | ||
| Lindaflugel Registered user Username: Lindaflugel Post Number: 3 Registered: 3-2004 |
As a little country bumpkin with lots of emotional baggage, Roger and Hilda Morneau were close family friends. Roger would pray with my dad out on the front lawn under the stars, and on another day Hilda would wash the dirty handprints of our dead baby brother. For a period of 5-6 years, their witness was very inspirational to our very divided and spiritually bereft family, That's the only way I ever knew them, and to this day remember them fondly. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1802 Registered: 12-2003  |
Linda, praise God that He showed you His love and encouragement through the Morneaus. Whatever Morneau's private spiritual condition might have been, God worked through Him to strengthen you. I'm thinking of Paul saying in the first chapter of Philippians, when people told him that there were others preaching the gospel for profit while Paul was in chains, that whether from false motives or pure, what matters is that Christ is preached. It sounds as if you had some very traumatic times in your childhood. Praise God that He has protected you and has led you to Himself and into freedom in Him. The link, Jeremy, is so interesting. Morneau did seem to see himself as somehow necessary for intercession for the forgiveness of people's sins. That is not a Biblical position, although we can pray that people will accept God's forgiveness. Actually, Jesus DID pay for everyone's sins when He died. We don't, however, receive the beneifts of that forgiveness in our lives until we personally accept Jesus. Praise God that Jesus opened a new, living way to the Father for each one of us, and His Spirit personally draws each of us to Him! Colleen | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 534 Registered: 1-2003 |
I have read Morneau's books...I don't think he was ever a Satanist...but he did have an unusually large amount of accounts with evil spirits. He either had the spiritual ability (perhaps he was psychic) to see them that we don't have or he was fooled. I have seen George Vandemans interview with him and he seemed to be a genuine Christian. So who knows? | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 535 Registered: 1-2003 |
Lindafleugal...how old was your baby brother and how did he die? I hate that it happened! I find it is good to talk about it and remember the loved one who has died. Only a few people remember my sister now...she has been dead 19-years now. | ||
| Yossariana Registered user Username: Yossariana Post Number: 29 Registered: 8-2004  |
On the same site I found Moris Venden accused of 'false teachings'. As I remember many within the Romanian adventists churches used to infuse about this author...and would even sell his books after sermons. Am I the only one to notice the Irony of selling these books in a SDA church...on the Sabbath??? | ||
| Yossariana Registered user Username: Yossariana Post Number: 30 Registered: 8-2004 |
I haven't finished reading yet and I found Bacchiocchi's name on the black list! "It is a remarkable fact that Samuele Bacchiocchi was permitted to teach at Andrews University for over twenty years, when that which he taught contained so much error." http://www.sdadefend.com/Books%20and%20Authors/ready2kill.htm | ||
| Yossariana Registered user Username: Yossariana Post Number: 31 Registered: 8-2004 |
Tnx Jeremy for this site  | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 201 Registered: 3-2005 |
I would like to offer a word of caution about Vance Ferrell's website, that Jeremy linked too. I enjoy going there to read all the juicy gossip about what goes on in Adventism. Pilgrim's Rest is an extremely right wing historical SDA site, and the credibility of many things they published can be questioned about its truthfulness. I have no knowledge at all about Morneau, but I was interested in reading the link, nonetheless. Stan | ||
| Yossariana Registered user Username: Yossariana Post Number: 32 Registered: 8-2004 |
I have noticed that Stan, but the SDA doctrine leads to strong legalism if followed dogmaticaly. | ||
| Lindaflugel Registered user Username: Lindaflugel Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2004 |
My mom and dad fought terribly about religion, and every night after dad went to work, mom would make all six of us kids kneel down by the red vinyl couch and pray that God would "help daddy to become a Seventh-day Adventist." I'm sure Roger (such a good-looking French Canadian man...of course, I was only 11) thought he could convert him. They both (my dad was previously a Baptist minister in the mountains of Kentucky) had stories about chairs flying around the room, typewriters typing by themselves; but both had definately left that stuff behind. Those were traumatic days- the 60's- with the assasinations. I guess I always expected tragedy around the next corner, and there was. The baby was 18 months, and crawled out of his crib into the front yard where my dad was building a pond with a bulldozer. The funeral was at home. We sang the song "When He cometh, when He cometh, to take up His jewels..." The strong arms of the Morneaus tried to hold us together; they tried harder than anyone else. But we all fell apart in different ways. The Morneaus would have liked to have known that in the end (this last year) my mom and dad attended both Adventist and Baptist churches together. When mom died, dad missed her so badly that he died of a broken heart 4 months later. Now they rest, with the baby, together in the arms of Jesus who is strong enough to hold them and keep them until we are all together again. Don't judge Roger. All I can say is that we all did the best we could. | ||
| Jan Registered user Username: Jan Post Number: 27 Registered: 1-2005 |
I remember showing the Morneau video(s) to my Bible classes and thinking: His testimony proves that the SDA Church is the one true church. So I appreciated reading a potential "other" side to the issue. Next, I went to the site and read the teachings of M. Venden on sin and the will. What do the rest of you think? http://www.sdadefend.com/Books%20and%20Authors/M%20Venden%201.htm | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1804 Registered: 12-2003 |
The site re: Morris Venden and sin just brought the old heaviness-in-the-pit-of-my-stomach response. The author of the site (is it Vance Ferrell?) is building all his criticism on conservative, historic Adventist premises. Since his premises are false, I cannot evaluate his review of M. Venden's theology, because he's not comparing it to Scripture. Further, he never actually cites Venden. He simply quotes fragments and makes statements about what Venden believes. That sort of reference is subjective. I'd hate to be judged by what Vance Ferrell (or anyone else of an historic SDA mindset) might say about me without actually quoting me. That being said, I think some of his statements re: Venden's supposed beliefs might be close to accurate. If so, I more closely agree with him than with Ferrell. Venden, however, was still Adventist. Even though he understood the inherently sinful nature of man and the fact that nothing we do is part of salvation, he still had Adventst overtones in his conclusions. Sigh. Colleen | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 204 Registered: 3-2005 |
I was given some books written by Venden, called the pillars in the early 80's called the "Pillars" series of 3 books. At that time he was clearly espousing works-righteousness, that Justification plus sanctification was the gospel. It looks like, though, he modified his views later, and Vance Ferrell at least perceived he was teaching the same new theology as Ford. Because of this perception, Vance Ferrell went so far as to try to smear the reputation of Venden, by publishing on his website a long, very descriptive story, of someone who claimed to have this sordid affair with Venden. They had to take the story off their web site, because this person had gotten too specific in some of her details, and a doctor certified that what she described was not true. This is how far these people like Vance Ferrell will go to try to prove that the character of those people who believe in Justification by faith is faulty. Stan | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 341 Registered: 5-2002 |
Riverfonz said, "This is how far these people like Vance Ferrell will go to try to prove that the character of those people who believe in Justification by faith is faulty. Stan" The ironic thing is that anyone who is justified by faith fully admits that our characters are faulty. No proof necessary! It is only those who claim that we can perfect our characters that have something to prove, and it's referred to as boasting. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 205 Registered: 3-2005 |
You are 100% right Freeatlast! Stan |
