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| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 544 Registered: 10-2004  |
People keep saying he is SDA, but I have never seen him say it himself, I don't think.  Jeremy | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 313 Registered: 7-2004 |
Diana, Justin asked a question about the list of the 10 commandments as stated in Deuteronomy 5. The Deuteronomy list gives the reason for resting the Sabbath day as acknowledging the God that brought them out of Egypt. The Exodus sabbath commandment mentions creation as a reason for resting in accordance with the commandment. A few years ago I read a book about the origins of things, and it seems that we got the seven day week from a very ancient race of people who settled the middle east, the ones who invented cuneiform as a type of writing. These people were traders and needed to establish a method whereby one would know when shipments were expected to be received, and so forth. Before that time mankind measured time by seasons, and didn't measure time by set weeks. The book I read stated that clearly the seven day week did not come from the Hebrews, but that they added something wonderful to the workweek--a day off. If the seven-day workweek was from creation, there wouldn't have been the measuring of time by seasons, the moon, and the stars. The seven-day cycle would have been from creation forward. I also took a class at my church that indicated that the creation story as told in Genesis was not meant to be a scientific treatise, it was merely meant to show who the creator was. Remember, Moses write down both the account of creation, and the giving of the law. I'm sure he would have drawn some allegories between the two to help cement it into the minds of the Isrealites. God told him what to write, and God was telling great mysteries to a slave people. I'm sure he had to dumb-down some things to help them understand things better. I'm willing to give God enough room to do things his way. Like he asked Job, "Where were you when I hung the stars?" I wasn't there either, but God was. Belva | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 314 Registered: 7-2004 |
Jeremy, I saw the post by "Bible Truth" and it gave me the willies. The first paragraph made a bunch of assumptions and presumptions based on creation week. Almost indicating that just by being creation week it automatically generated law and government. It was the paragraph you quoted that upset me the most. You expressed my take exactly. This person's god appears to be law. It is, at the very least, an object of worship. His comments are an effort to validate the EGW statements about how a person's character must be perfected before a person can be admitted into heaven. To me, this is a statement of lack of faith. It doesn't bespeak a faith in Jesus, at any rate. There was almost no mention of Jesus at all, except to name him as a member of the God Trio. Belva | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1350 Registered: 3-2004  |
Belva, Thanks for telling me about Deut 5. I had read it before but did not "see" the part about the Sabbath being there to remind them that God brought them out of Egypt. I learn something new every day. When I read what is said by the posters on R/S who are defending EGW and her interpretation of what the Bible says, I just get confused. I do not like being confused, so I skim them and do not read them in depth. When I read the Bible it is so clear and I understand it so well. I like what you posted about the ancient people marking time by the seasons and not weeks. That is very interesting. Thanks for sharing that. It reminds me of things I have read about the American Indians who marked time by the various moons. I read the paragraph again for the umpthteen time and now I can see that they are exalting the law above Jesus. That is so sad. Jesus is all they need. I pray they will find this out. Diana | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 315 Registered: 7-2004 |
I'm beginning to think that not only has Stephen been banned, but also Lynric. I believe Stephen may have been banned for posting the interpretation of the 2300 "day" prophecy. He made it clear that it was 2300 evenings and mornings and that most of Christendom has identified the fulfillment of that prophecy to have been the reign of Antiochus Epiphanes, and that the Jewish people have since celebrated the cleansing of the sanctuary at the end of that awful period of time as Hannukah. At one time the books that spoke of that event were a part of scripture, but are now considered to be a part of the apocrapha. As I've mentioned before, I know how the misinterpretation of the 2300 day/mornings & evenings) prophecy could take place and could have given comfort to those people who were hoping with heart a soul that Jesus would be coming back on the day they anticipated because of this incorrect interpretation. After all, this is the prophecy that, in their opinion, is supposed to have covered the greatest period in all of scripture. We have to be careful and be certain when we apply prophecy to the events they are pointing to. Most prophecies can be accurately applied to earthly events. The application of the 2300 day prophecy, as believed by SDA's, cannot be applied to an event that can be seen and discerned by people on earth. That's not the way God has worked in the past. Their application has it's fulfillment in Heaven. Jesus is supposedly moving from one place to another in heaven, a place that sinning humans cannot see, and if they believe that it happened that way they have to accept, by faith, the period was 2300 years, even though the original language of utterance is clearly interpreted "evenings and mornings" or 1150 literal days. Then the outcome of the prophecy takes place in an unverifiable manner. What would be the purpose of God giving the prophecy in the first place if its fulfillment cannot be verified? The people who went through the Great Disappointment were grasping at straws, and when Ellen White had a "vision" that confirmed this outlandish fulfillment of the prophecy, they were willing to accept anything in order not to look or feel foolish about the whole thing. Accepting this interpretation takes a great deal of faith, it's just misapplied faith. Let's all pray that their followers will wake up one day and apply all the energy of that misapplied faith to true faith in the completeness of the substitutionary life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and then allow Christ's righteousness to become their own by faith. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 175 Registered: 3-2005 |
It will be interesting to see how long the other evanglical SDAs, such as Dwayne, or Bill Mead are allowed to stay on. What they want really is their small little cultic group that sits around and prints Ellen G White quotations to each other. Wouldn't that be thrilling to read. I mean these are people who are so cultic, that they clearly stated it was wrong to attend an Easter sunrise service to celebrate our Lord's resurrection! I received another e mail from pastor O, saying we need someone to interpret scripture for us, because, "the Holy Spirit leading us in our study--that is very subjective." I would ask you Pastor O, What did Jesus mean when he said, I send you another Comforter, and he will lead you into all truth. We know what it means for you Pastor O, and it is that he would send Mrs. White, and her alone to interpret the scriptures for you, and your small little group. Yes, the group who is now banning everyone who disagrees with them, and has called them deceptive, and has compared them to homosexuals. I think that any lurkers should be reminded what kind of cultic group we are dealing with. They also believe that if you don't agree with their inspired interpreter of scripture, that you are lost. Pastor O, and the other "traditional SDAs", I wish you could have witnessed a Bible study and prayer meeting, I attended with a local chapter of FAF last night. If you think that we are just a group of disgruntled SDA bashing folks, then you are dead wrong. It was an evening of praise reports, serious Bible study, and a wonderful time of prayer lifting up each others needs. We also sang beautiful praise choruses, and one that really touched me (after many e mail exchanges where I kept trying to defend the trustworthiness of the Bible), was one called "Ancient Words", and I will quote some of it here: "Holy words long preserved for our walk in this world they resound with God's own heart let the ancient words impart, Words of life words of hope give us srength help us cope in this world where'er we roam ancient words will guide us home. Ancient words ever true changing me changing you we have come with open hearts oh let the ancient words impart. Holy words of our faith handed down to this age came to us through sacrifice oh heed the faithful words of Christ." We sang this chorus along with a beautiful rndition sung by Michael W. Smith, and it was a wonderful way to cap off a week that was frankly quite troubling to say the least. I believe God is truly Sovereign, and He is working out all of this according to His purposes. Stan | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 545 Registered: 10-2004 |
Wow, I cannot believe the cultic statements from "pastor" Dick!!! Would he have told the Reformers the same thing? That the Holy Spirit is not a good enough Interpreter? What blasphemy that is! Would he have refuted their belief that the Bible alone with the guidance of the Holy Spirit is all we need to know the truth?! I thought EGW praised the reformers, the reformation, and their teachings, etc.? It was obviously disingenuous, judging by her main body of writings and what cultic garbage they spew--same as "pastor" O'Ffill spews, as that's where he gets his stuff from. It is just totally not Protestant. It is cultic. And if this post sounds angry, I will tell you--yes I am angry at false doctrine, deception, and the satanic spirit that controls people ensared in cults! I have much love for the people, and wish they could be set free in Jesus from the yoke of slavery and the spirit of deception and fear and guilt and condemnation! Jeremy | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1351 Registered: 3-2004 |
I have been lurking around the R/S site and went to the guest book section. This is something I found that I liked and thought you would also. This is from Lurker Leaving written March 6. "It was interesting to read some intelligent posts on your forum in the past few weeks. Sorry you are required to censor it. I doubt you future posters will have much of value to read. Best Wishes to you in the future" I have also been watching for "eon" who was so rude to me. Every since I told him/her I prayed especially for him/her, and left a prayer on the web site, "eon" has not posted except to tell me "thank you Diana". I have been praying that God would open the eye, ears and mind of this person and this person would let God in. Time will tell. Eon, if you are a lurker here, know that we are and I am praying for you. When you find out that all you need is Jesus you will have an experience that no one can take away from you. God is awesome. Diana | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1758 Registered: 11-2002 |
Bob (and others), You mentioned faking being SDA. Actually, I think it was about being overally legalistic. Several years ago my elderly mom asked me to come to church more often with her. I told her I really didn't care to be in that church where she goes because I don't hear the word of God there so I'll just wait in the car for her and read my Bible to myself. She told me if I would just attend the SDA church each week then God would acknowledge that I was at least trying to "get it". I told her I did get the SDA doctrines and I'd just wait in the car. One more thing, just this past week my mom had told my son that there are two classifications of Christians, the Catholic and the Prostatents. I butted in and said there are three main classifications of Chriatians, the Catholic, the Protastants and the Orthodox and then there are Christians that don't fit within any of those groups. I'm not kidding, my mom even went to La Serria College and took religion classes and she has attended SDA church, campmeeting, SDA retretes, FFT and VOP special functions as well as other SDA things and she had no idea what I was talking about. She kept insisting the Orthodox and the Catholic are the same only they just use a different word to identify themselves. So finily she got out the encycelopedia to read the difference for herself. She still has decided they are they same only don't want to admit it. Then she asked me what are the Christians I mentioned that don't fall into any of those catagories. I just said Christian groups that have extra-Bibical sources for doctrine, interpertation and understanding of truth. She asked what I was talking about so I said something about the Mormons using the writings of Joseph Smith to define their understanding of truth. I hope I gave her something to think about. BTW, my mom is a very smart and with-it person. However, for some reason thast I can't figure out she is totally loyal to the SDA denomination. Don't make no rhyme or reasion to me. She even told me one time that since I'm going to be a Lutheran and will persucate Commandment keepers in the last days anyway I might as well just become Catholic because at least then I won't be trying to hide the fact that I've given myself to the Mark of the Beast. It is crazy making! | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 45 Registered: 2-2005 |
Over on the RS forum, Onigiri elevates Mrs. White's writings to the level of not only the Bible, but the Holy Spirit: --------------------------------- "While it is true a person can be saved without accepting Ellen White as God's inspired messenger, (just as they can be saved without ever opening a Bible), i believe it is also true that someone who has had opportunity to study her material and rejects her office will not be saved -- ie: rejecting the Holy Spirit leads to death." ---------------------------------- The hits just keep on coming. We really need to pray for these folks. Posts like the one cited above are downright depressing. Heretic | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 177 Registered: 3-2005 |
Heretic, What thread is that statement from? These people are worse than I said above. We need to expose their error, but we also need to understand that they do have the blinders on that many of us once had. We need to pray, and have real compassion. If we can keep e-mail communication with pastor O, I think we should remind him of our concern and our prayers. He is still dealing with the very difficult emotional family situation of losing a Grandson from Adventism, and that is difficult. Let's pray for Bucky and his grandfather. Stan | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1356 Registered: 3-2004 |
Comments like the above are very sad. I want to cry because they believe EGW above the Bible. To me it just goes to show what a demonic hold is on them. God, be with posters on the R/S web site. You love them so much and you know best how to reach them. You had some of us posting there until we got banned. Send your Holy Spirit to each poster and the pastor and teach them your truths that are in your book, the Bible. As always God, You are awesome. Diana | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 46 Registered: 2-2005 |
Stan, The thread was from the "Do you have to believe is a prophet to be SDA" thread under the "Town Hall" section. Walk just added that if we reject Ellen White, we reject God Himself. If they could just step back and listen to what they're saying, without the EGW glasses....*sigh*. I'm with you Stan. We must continue to hold Vicki, Walk, Colporteur, Onigiri and the rest over there up in prayer. The power of the Holy Spirit is great enough to work in and change anyone. Yes, Diana...our God is an AWESOME God! Even awesome enough to bear the full burden of OUR sin, without needing any help from us. | ||
| Praisegod Registered user Username: Praisegod Post Number: 301 Registered: 3-2004  |
Onigiriís remarks do not surprise me one bit. Even while SDA the Holy Spirit started revealing who he was as I learned to walk in the Spirit. I could see the blasphemy in Adventism by replacing listening to the Holy Spirit with EGW or the doctrines or _____ (fill in the blank). Iíve seen various ones try various things to keep members from truly experiencing a relationship with God for themselves, which would be hugely dangerous because people would start thinking for themselves and asking questions. What I didnít catch while still within Adventism is the vastness of the minimization of Jesus. I had to be out and looking back to see that. Apparently there are several fronts with issues for belief in the Trinity within Adventism. Praise GodÖ | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1358 Registered: 3-2004 |
I found the following after the quote by Onigiri. Walk is confirming that if a person rejects EGW they are rejecting the GOD. Truth Seeker wrote: You aren't really putting Sister White on the same level as the Holy Spirit (and thus to the level of God) are you? Is this what you meant? I'm just wanting clarification. This is Walk's response: T.S., Did you know that rejecting a messenger of God is rejecting God Himself? We can only make two choices in this matter, one, is that by being a Seventh-day Adventist, we can either reject her outright, or accept her wholly as a prophet. Do you remember when Jesus said: Joh 5:46 For if you had believed Moses, you would have believed Me, for he wrote of Me. Joh 5:47 But if you do not believe his writings, how shall you believe My Words? Well, the same could be spoken of sister White. _________________ A newcome by the name of Joe then popped in: Joe Was it the Holy Spirit who led EGW to say the door of salvation closed in 1844, reopened, then closed, then reopened? I have let others say that is blasphemy, but now I am saying it. That is blasphemy. She is not equal with the Holy Spirit and she certainly is not equal to God. I think we all agree that we need to continue to pray for these people. Pastor O'Ffill and his grandson, Bucky, needs our prayers also. Again, I am amazed at how the SDA church believes. I was an SDA all my life and did not know how much EGW was held up to the Bible and equal with it. I have learned so much since I left and I thank God for that. Stan, Pastor O sent me an e-mail which I put on the Cut and Run thread. If he keeps in e-mail contact with me I will remind him of our concern and our prayers. Diana | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 316 Registered: 7-2004 |
On a thread that is under "The Pastor's Desk," the one referring to the whole world wondering after the beast, a poster named Darrel posted the fact that he had converted from SDA to Catholocism. This really galvanized the faithful (read fault-finders). Otherwise it has been quite subdued without us. My heart aches when I read them bragging up EGW like she was the saviour herself. I think they are trying to figure out the prophecies of Daniel, too. They were discussing who the King of the North, and the King of the South might be. One person was even saying that God is the King of the North. Isn't the King of the North a fairly evil entity? | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 317 Registered: 7-2004 |
By the way, my understanding of how to read locations and who is whom in Bible Prophecy is that Ground Zero is Isreal. Then it becomes easy to figure out who is coming from where. Get out a map, look due north from Jerusalem, and you will find Moscow. Are you guys aware that Russia is becoming a Muslim country? Not only that, but due north of Jerusalem are a lot of Muslim countries. Maybe I'm just paranoid after alkaida knocked down the twin towers, but their religion is a direct opposite of true worship that acknowledges Jesus Christ as King. Any comments? | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1359 Registered: 3-2004 |
Belva, In the next message from Darrell, he says he does not know any SDAs. He does not say what denomination/church he went from to Catholocism. But the SDAs there were jumping all over him. If they hope to convert him, they will not do it like that. Remember some one who came on here who pretended to be a searcher for truth and it turned out he was not. We treated this person so nicely, with love and quoted only the Bible. I contrast that with the way we were treated by the R/S people. There is no comparison. Who would you go to for answers to your Bible questions and salvation issues? God you are awesome. Diana | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 318 Registered: 7-2004 |
You've got a point there, Diana. As to the way we were treated at R/S, they had already written us off as having committed the unpardonable. That is why they felt they could be that insulting with us. Belva | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1767 Registered: 11-2002 |
That what Omnigirl wrote sounds denomic. I just wish my son who attends the SDA church could see for himself just how those people really are and how they really believe. He hasn't a clue. |
