| Author | Message | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 323 Registered: 10-2001 |
Just wondering what you all think. I'm sure the SDA world is all in astir, wondering if the next one is the big "A" | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 276 Registered: 7-2004 |
As I mentioned on another thread, I admired Pope John Paul, mainly because his love for Jesus seemed so obvious, and he was a man if principle. | ||
| Denisegilmore Registered user Username: Denisegilmore Post Number: 260 Registered: 10-2000 |
I'm saddened over the death of Pope John Paul. And am very happy he was able to live 84 years. He will be missed by many people, no doubt. Not being Catholic, I'll miss him a great deal. Rest in peace John Paul, rest in peace. Denise | ||
| Foreverscout Registered user Username: Foreverscout Post Number: 27 Registered: 3-2005 |
I've always thought that Pope John Paul was a very good man. His love for the people showed so clearly. He truly appeared to be Christian. He was also a very intelligent and thoughtful man. Another thing, he stuck to his ideals, I admired that about him. So many people change what they believe according to what is popular thought. There are things in the Catholic Church that I disagree with, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate a good man when I see one. Well done good and faithful servant. Foreverscout | ||
| Sabra Registered user Username: Sabra Post Number: 325 Registered: 10-2001 |
I agree with all of you on the Pope's life and himself as a person, I was just wondering what implications this may have on the future of the RCC church. My Catholic co-worker says there is no good candidate to replace him. I was also thinking it intereseting about Terry Schiavo and the way he died, seemed strange to me, that he ended up with a feeding tube and unconsciousness too when he was so outspoken about his belief that she should live. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 280 Registered: 7-2004 |
Pope John Paul left some mighty big shoes to fill. As to the manner of his death--given his age and the infections his body was dealing with, He could not have been maintained long in that condition. He died with his feeding tube still in place. Terri, on the other hand, had a very strong body, was still quite young, and had to be literally starved to death. It is amazing how long she lived after all food and fluids were removed. That was, in my eyes, a very public murder sanctioned by the courts. | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 351 Registered: 6-2004 |
I just felt the media overexposure was a bit much. I know he was a beloved leader and deserved the respect from his congregation. Anyway, I wonder how the SDA views this. They probably feel the next pope will be the one who will "come after them" with Sunday worshipping rules. | ||
| Lisa_boyldavis Registered user Username: Lisa_boyldavis Post Number: 32 Registered: 3-2005 |
I know I've brought up this alumni weekend a bit too much today, but I have to say that the class of 85 was all crammed into a class room and one of their old English teachers got up front and went off about how the Teri S. case was not about her rights but that her husband had the right to have the say, not her parents, and she was brain dead (not!#@) etc.... Why is it that SDA's tend to be far left regardless of what the scripture has to say about the issue.... I think I know the answer to the question... it all ends up in the lap of the Sunday Law fear stuff... against church and state, etc... so it's almost as if the issue is as immoral as possible, it's a better choice in the SDA's mind, because it means that law maker won't put together a Sunday law... it's like the real bad guys within the SDA logic are the religious, moral, God fearing leaders. Wow, what a mixed up world. Lisa | ||
| Madelia Registered user Username: Madelia Post Number: 139 Registered: 2-2003 |
Well, I was at potluck at the SDA church on Saturday and the discussion around the table was "Is the Pope going to Heaven?". Of course, the consensus what that he's not. And the Sabbath school discussion was all about how the SDAs are the only ones who can and do read the Bible | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 352 Registered: 6-2004 |
I'm not surprised at the SDA's attitude towards the pope. They look at him as some kind of anti-Christ type being because they blame the Catholic church for changing the sabbath day. I remember that attitude all to well. Sigh...the SDA claims to love everyone in other Christian faiths, and at the same time, are fearful of the same people as well. | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 229 Registered: 7-2004  |
This weekend I was also thinking about the death of the Pope and realizing if I were still an SDA, I'd immediately write him off as not being able to go to heaven--after all, he symbolizes the anti-Christ. However, my current way of thinking says that even if Catholics and SDA's are opposite sides of the same coin--both are so legalistic and tend think we're still "under the law"-- at least the Pope fully believes that Jesus is God and everything the Trinity concept contains. There's nothing in the Bible that says you have to have completely correct understanding on all doctrine, but I think the Pope had it one up on many (especially historic) SDA's in that he accepted Jesus as fully God. Isn't that the only requirement for salvation, to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ? | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 523 Registered: 10-2004  |
The reason I would have to question the pope's salvation is because he believed in and taught a false gospel. He even believed that the virgin Mary was his savior. Here is just one quote from John Paul II from a public prayer: "Sustain us, O Virgin Mary, on our journey of faith and obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation." Jeremy | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 230 Registered: 7-2004 |
I guess you're right, Jeremy. And I'm glad it's God's decision and not mine. I just thought the pope had a little more hope than someone who doesn't even believe Jesus is (and always was) fully God. | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 37 Registered: 2-2005 |
Lisa, I couldn't agree with you more. I think many SDA's worldview, particularly in the realm of politics is borne out of abject fear, particularly of the National Sunday Law. I have read this on other forums recently and I find this to be true, also. It seems like while many SDA's espouse fairly conservative values, many have said that they could never support a conservative candidate for he may be the one who instigates the Sunday law. It seems like core values lose out to fear all too often. I'm not saying this to promote any political ideology, just an observation. My personal feeling is that we need to stay true to ourselves and trust in Jesus to take care of the rest no matter our political inclinations. | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 835 Registered: 7-2003  |
But I don't get how you can look at today's pluralistic society and think anyone could get such a law passed. Evangelicals and Catholics seem to have stood together on the abortion debate, but we couldn't get a single step up. How do they truly explain such a coming law when more and more evangelical churches have services on Saturdays as well as Sundays, and when one of the fastest growing religions, Islam, holds its services on Fridays. We have absolutely no influence in the Islamic world as the strange dynamics after the tsunami have shown...they want our help and our money, but want us out of there as soon as they get what they want?? I just don't understand why SDAs don't look at that old teaching, which may have been almost reasonable in the 1800s, and think about the 2000 society. It seems so completely out of touch with what society values, and "when" one goes to worship certainly doesn't seem to rank on anyone's radar screen...except sabbitarians. Is there no independent thinking at all? | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 353 Registered: 6-2004 |
I think the SDA's will have some very unusual & strange writings in their upcoming forums and magazines regarding the pope's death and what lies ahead for the Catholic Church and it's influence on the world. I always enjoy good science fiction. | ||
| Lisa_boyldavis Registered user Username: Lisa_boyldavis Post Number: 34 Registered: 3-2005 |
It's a pride issue, to have the inside scoop, to have information everyone else doesn't have, to be right.... The gospel, on the other hand, is very simple, very plain, very practical, and accessible to all. Praise God for His Good News of the Gospel sent in Jesus Christ. Lisa | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 289 Registered: 7-2004 |
Lisa, you are a true example of what the knowledge of the True Gospel does. A few weeks ago you were tentative and begging for help to get beyond your fears regarding the Sabbath (or the obsession about it). Now your boldness in Christ and the overall joy you feel is so obvious. Jesus is so wonderful, so fulfilling, and so very much all we need. Pw, I loved your comment about science fiction. Belva | ||
| Pw Registered user Username: Pw Post Number: 355 Registered: 6-2004 |
Well, according to the SDA's, they have the "special truth". Ugh. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1728 Registered: 12-2003  |
Great point, Pw. In fact, I think many people besides Adventists are scrutinizing the upcoming papal election/candidates. I heard a woman say last night in our Bible study small group that she is praying this next pope will be the last one and will catalyze events that lead to Christ's coming. While Christians don't have the same "special knowledge" Adventists claim to have, it is interesting to me that many of them do see the pope as a significant player in eschatology. Like Lisa, however, I am content to know that Jesus and His gospel are accessible to all. I'm relieved not to have to KNOW how the future will be; I finally know the One who holds the future. In Him there is rest and hope. Colleen |
