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Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 565
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 10:22 am: |     |
In the mid-60's I took a secretarial course in my hometown, and one of the other students was Mormon. She and I felt very comfortable with each other because we shared so many of the same taboos -- no alcohol, no caffiene, that sort of thing. I think we each made a futile effort to win over the other to our unique way of thinking, but we also behaved as though the battle was half won already.
In my years since then I've encountered Mormon individuals in the workplace, and every time it seemed that person and I had more in common with each other than we had in common with the rest of the people we worked with. I'm sure the Mormon's were warned about associating too much with SDA's, and we were warned about spending too much time with Mormons. It still didn't change the startling similarities between the two groups.
Belva |
Dennis
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Username: Dennis
Post Number: 424
Registered: 4-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 6:49 pm: | |
The Review and Herald Publishing Association reported to the GC Session in St. Louis that the CLEAR WORD BIBLE was one of their three best sellers in the last five years.
Dennis J. Fischer |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 2255
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 9:56 pm: | |
Wow, that's very telling! They can say what they want about that book not being a Bible, but when you follow the money, the truth comes out about the role it plays.
Colleen |
Heretic
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Username: Heretic
Post Number: 129
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 10:52 pm: | |
It seems that defenders of the Clear Word, such as some on the RS site, proclaim that it's not a Bible but more of a commentary. Perhaps it's noteworthy that Robert Smith calls it, in the Review and Herald Publishing Association report, "The Clear Word paraphrased Bible."
Heretic |
Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 577
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 11:26 am: | |
Well. Revival Sermons does hav some interesting stuff on there now. You have Richard O'Ffill pontificating on pornography on one thread, where he blames women for the problem, because O'Ffill admits that we as men are "dirty old men", but the real interesting thread is the one on GC issues at www.revivalsermons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=661#top where you can see more of the cultic nature of how these people think.
Stan |
Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 578
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 11:42 am: | |
Oh, also one more thread that many of you will be interested in who posted on R/S and followed the drama during those days. Bucky, the grandson of Pastor O'Ffill just resurfaced and started a new thread at www.revivalsermons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=673#top Apparently Bucky is still holding firm by attending Richard fredericks church.
Stan |
Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 581
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 10:15 pm: | |
I read, with interest, Richard Frederick's statement of purpose and found it to be so encouraging. It was also of great interest to see another honest minister follow his heart to the heart of the Gospel. Thank you, Bucky, for sharing.
Belva |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 864
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 10:41 pm: | |
Regarding the discussion of Mormons above, I live in an area with a lot of Mormons (there's even a recently built Mormon Temple in this area!). My dad had a conversation with a Mormon couple awhile back and told them he used to be SDA. And the lady said something like, "Oh really? Why did you leave? They have such wonderful doctrines!"
Heh.
And isn't it funny how the Mormons that come to your door will admit that Ellen White is a false prophet, and the SDAs will admit that Joseph Smith is a false prophet--but there is just NO way that their own prophet could possibly be false... So sad...
Jeremy |
Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 977
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 8:59 pm: | |
Have I read, though, that DRCC is now a "sunday" church?
Not that it really matters, just wondered. |
Loneviking
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Username: Loneviking
Post Number: 362
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 10:24 pm: | |
Yes, DRCC is a Sunday church and has been for several years. |
Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 582
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 12:33 pm: | |
The Clear Word has become a hot topic at R/S within the past few days. For some reason I can almost sense that another series of "bannings" are about to take place. We need to pray for Dwayne, who is carrying the banner of "the Bible only" high against strong opposition. You may read their discussions yourself by following this link: http://www.revivalsermons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=656
Belva |
Loneviking
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Username: Loneviking
Post Number: 363
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 1:30 pm: | |
I'm just surprised at how cultic most of this group is. The post about the Baptist pastor is something I'm not surprised at. A lot of Baptist churches have a lot of reformed theology being taught and that just sets them up for theological problems that the SDA's are only too happy to give them! |
Loneviking
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Username: Loneviking
Post Number: 364
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 2:04 pm: | |
If you want an interesting read, check out some of O'Fills sermons like this one:
http://www.revivalsermons.org/sermons/adventists_true_christians.shtml
This line from the last paragraph really shows where O'Fill is coming from:
"The gospel that Billy Graham teaches is a valid gospel. But it is a gospel to die by."
It takes some really screwy thinking to conclude that a gospel that is taught is both valid and deadly! |
Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 583
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 3:07 pm: | |
The thinking that went into the construction of that sermon is amazing, appalling, ... no words. He says that there are those who have their name in the Lamb's Book of Life who will be lost. There is absolutely no biblical support for that statement. That would be like saying that Jesus has made a mistake by placing those names there in the first place. We have a blessed assurance that we will not be lost from the grip of Grace. How similar to the overall thinking within Adventism are the Pastor's words? He sounds delusional. |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 868
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 4:39 pm: | |
Wow...I can't believe some of the comments on the Clear Word thread. How can they think that "thought-for-thought" translations are BAD, when they believe that only the thoughts were inspired in the first place???!! If the translators might get it wrong, how do we know Peter, John, Moses, and Paul didn't get it wrong when they originally wrote it if they were only "thought-inspired"???!
And O'Ffill says:
quote:Personally I find his interpolation of the text that refers to Jesus preaching to the spirits as the clearest explanation that I have seen anywhere including the SDA Bible Commentary.
I believe he is referring to the passage in 1 Peter 3:18-20. Could someone who owns a Clear Word post that passage on here? I would love to see what it says. Thanks!
Jeremy |
Heretic
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Username: Heretic
Post Number: 149
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 6:05 pm: | |
Jeremy,
quote:Look at Christ. He was innocent, but in order to bring us back to God, the One who was righteous had to die for the unrighteous. And that one death paid for all our sins. They killed His body, but it was brought back to life by the Holy Spirit. It was also through the power of the Holy Spirit that Christ worked for the salvation of people in the past to set them free from the prison house of sin. This was the case in Noah's day when the Holy Spirit offered the people a way of escape. But they kept right on sinning. God patiently waited for one hundred and twenty years, the whole time that Noah was building the ark. But only eight people decided to come into the ark and be saved. 1 Peter 3:18-20 (CWB)
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Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 584
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 6:33 pm: | |
1 Peter 3:18-20 NIV
For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body, but made alive by the Spirit, through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison whe disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the Days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water. |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 1739
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 8:05 pm: | |
That is why we need to continue praying for our SDA brothers and sisters.
Father in Heaven. You are the "I AM", the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Please send the Holy Spirit to all SDAs and those who do not know you. Teach them that Jesus is all we need and that each person needs a relationship with Jesus.
Thank you for doing this. You are so awesome.
Diana |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 869
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 9:01 pm: | |
Heretic, thanks for posting the quote from the Clear Word.
Wow--he totally changes the original text with regard to the spirit/spirits, etc.--no wonder O'Ffill likes this "translation"!
And the Bible says that only eight people were saved through water--not that "only eight people decided to come into the ark and be saved" (Arminianism added in).
Jeremy |
Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 979
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 9:15 am: | |
"ps. The SOP was a much better idea than the Clear Word. The SOP was God breathed."
I've heard so much downplay on EGW, it was quite a shock to see in writing an SDA pastor (as in someone who ought to "know" their teaching) admit that which B (and others in his family) claims is optional within the SDA church. But there it is in writing (typing, actually).
If they truly believe that, I don't know what else there is to say to them. |
Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 601
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 10:33 am: | |
Pheeki: I thought this was interesting, found at the R/S site:
Being in the North-Pacific Asian Division, and travelling in quite a few places around the worlk, i can attest to the fact that organization is DEFINITELY needed. God obviously saw this, and gave us a blueprint to carry out his will. We have stumbled far, and strayed off the path in many areas, but there is still no other object on earth on which Jesus places his supreme regard - the Seventh day Adventist church.
Pheeki says: Unbelievable statement!!!!
And yet, he has said he will spue us out if we don't heed the counsel of the True Witness to the Laodiceans, and yet we seem very complacent and smug and rejoicing in all our riches and baptisms and wonderful institutions.
The Division reports were wonderful, and brought tears to my eyes many times. Mostly, as they showed many people in various places around the world giving their all for Christ. Once tears came as i saw half-truths being told with a straight face.
The overall feelings i got after watching all the Division reports, is that many of us SDAs are working to spread the gospel. One other big feeling i got was what wasn't presented - I failed to hear even once the term "3rd Angel's Message", and just once - in the NAD report, did i hear any reference to Jesus' soon return.
You are right pastor that many self-supporting groups (loved the way Southern Asia and South-Pacific Asia praised them!) do a good work, but are liable to go off on tangents. It is hard to abruptly make the General Conference go off on a tangent, so Satan tries different methods with more success. There are good points and bad points of little orgs and big orgs, but if the Holy Spirit is with them, and they give their all to God, then they will work together in harmony, and the effect be multiplied many times over.
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Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 602
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 10:52 am: | |
There is a girl posting on carm, who is representative of the SDAism I know. Many try to cloak it but she doesn't. I almost can't believe she is for real, the honesty is astounding to find in an SDA!
http://new.carmforums.org/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=121&topic_id=46457&mesg_id=46457&page=#46508
http://new.carmforums.org/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=121&topic_id=46457&mesg_id=46457&page=#46519 |
