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| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 267 Registered: 7-2004 |
Heretic, you are so right, that has got to be his purpose. I also think he doesn't feel properly supported by ALL of his SDA brothers because there are born-again Christians such as Bill Meade who are more willing to side with faith and grace than they are to side with law. The want to de-stress the 10C's and stress the fruits of the spirit. Jeremy, I have observed the same thing about Adriftfeline. I'm not exactly sure if that individual is a man or a woman, but there is truly a person who wants to do things Christ's way there. I really feel that everyone here and there is searching for Jesus, it is just that some are caught up in long lists of prerequisites. They are the folks who have to clean up the house before the maid gets there. We all want to help in order to lighten the burden for another. We simply cannot lighten the Saviour's burden. He came to eliminate ours. It just won't work to wrestle over who gets to carry the load. Have a great weekend y'all. Belva | ||
| Jjustinn Registered user Username: Jjustinn Post Number: 10 Registered: 3-2005 |
*sigh* Still nothing... | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 268 Registered: 7-2004 |
Why are you sighing, Justin? | ||
| Jjustinn Registered user Username: Jjustinn Post Number: 11 Registered: 3-2005 |
Frustrated by the lack of responses to the thread I started... Pages and pages are created blasting each other but nobody will address the questions. Some have, but I'm so insanely curious about what the SDAs think of those verses...and they are silent. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 124 Registered: 3-2005 |
Hang in there everyone, I think I am seeing some progress at times. The Pastor seems even to be a little more interested in what some of us are saying. The evangelical SDAs are seeing more of what we are talking about. Keep praying for everyone. Stan | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 514 Registered: 10-2004  |
"eon" has sure made some..."interesting"...posts, accusations, etc. today... I wonder if Mr. O'Ffill will delete them? With one of eon's posts earlier, Mr. O'Ffill just cleaned it up/edited it/changed the wording. Which he said that he was not going to do--that he was just going to delete whole posts. Hmmm. Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on April 01, 2005) | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1289 Registered: 3-2004  |
I misread "eon". When I first read his posts he sounded like he was listening, even when he did not agree. Then I did not go over there for a while and read some of the posts he has on there. I always have to remind myself that the majority of SDAs have filters that they do not realize they are wearing, i.e., EGW. Like all of you I will continue to pray for all the poster on the R/S web site. Justin, I am glad you came to this site. It must be nice to have a friend like Bucky and he is very fortunate to have a friend like you. God is awesome. Diana | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 269 Registered: 7-2004 |
Yes, Justin, I was hoping that all that talking I did about the two different phrasings of the 4th commandment would get some comment from more than formers. It seems it hasn't happened yet. Remember, EGW was afraid to say much about the Deuteronomy edition. That means that they don't have EGW crib sheets to tell them what to think. That's the way it turns out sometimes. | ||
| Jan Registered user Username: Jan Post Number: 24 Registered: 1-2005 |
Belvalew, interesting also that in the Deuteronomy version of the 10 Commandments (which excludes the Creation reference) verse 22 says: "These are the commandments the Lord proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly . . .; and he added NOTHING more." (Caps are mine!) So, which version do you believe is on the tablets? | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 515 Registered: 10-2004 |
I sent a private message to Richard O'Ffill regarding the personal attacks from eon. I am not going to respond to that thread. But "eon" also made attacks on that one thread in the "From the Pastor's Desk" section even, and Mr. O'Ffill posted this morning in that section, but did not do anything about those posts. (The ones about how Sunday-keepers don't do any charity work, etc.!) Jeremy | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 270 Registered: 7-2004 |
I left Adventism when I realized that the IJ teaching was false. That was 15 years ago, and I have yet to have anyone even try to show me from scripture alone that it can be supported. I was a hair's breadth away from starting a new thread asking the geniouses at R/S to prove it for me. I may still ask. Every time Walk posts talking about the mid-week ending of the sacrifices it's like I have sand between my teeth because he's using one of the IJ proof texts. How many Adventists really read that text? The person who puts an end to the sacrificing is a bad person, not Jesus. Here is the entire quote from Daniel 9:24-27 (NIV) -- "Seventy sevens are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy. Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven sevens, and sixty-two sevens. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. After the sixty-two sevens, the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood. War will continue until the end and desolations have been decreed. He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven. In the middle of the seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." The part that speaks of Christ is found in verse 26--"After the sixty-two sevens, the Anointed One will be cut of and will have nothing." Jesus is the anointed one, and he was cut off at Calvary. The very next sentence is not about Jesus, it is about "The People of the Ruler Who Will Come." "The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary." Roman soldiers in AD 70 did destroy the city and the sanctuary. This is the enigmatic statement, and people have been trying to explain it for centuries: "He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven. "In the middle of the seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." This person who puts an end to sacrifice and offering is the very same person who will set up an abomination that causes desolation. You can't say that Jesus is this person. I don't care how hard you twist that text you will never convince me that the "He" who puts an end to sacrifice and offering is Jesus. That particular "He" is an evil person. Please, someone, if I'm wrong about that, please edify me. Give me Jesus Belva | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 271 Registered: 7-2004 |
Dear Jan, I wonder if the question becomes "Which one do you believe was on which tablets?" There were two sets of tablets. One of them was shattered, the second set was placed inside the ark. In both cases we have no idea what was actually carved by the finger of God in stone because one was broken (great imagery, if you ask me) and the other hidden beneath the mercy seat. I'm not about to guess which one remained whole and which was destroyed. I'm grateful that Jesus took the blow that I deserved, and that he has given me eternal life. I don't deserve it. Haven't come close to earning it, and will spend the endless ages contemplating why he would do what he did for sinner me, but I will be eternally grateful. Belva | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 516 Registered: 10-2004 |
Actually, it says in Exodus that He wrote the same thing on both sets of tablets. Jeremy | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 272 Registered: 7-2004 |
Okay. I hadn't delved into it that deep. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 273 Registered: 7-2004 |
The pope just died. I wonder why the SDA's haven't been on top of that story? | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 126 Registered: 3-2005 |
Jeremy and Belva, Eon is not rational, and I think engaging her in conversation right now may not be wise. I could say more, but I will decline to make a diagnosis on this website. Stan | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1293 Registered: 3-2004 |
Yesterday, just before lunch, a nurse came up to me and said "the Pope just died". CNN had put in on and some how made a BIG mistake. Anyway, she wanted to cry, so I put my arms around her and gave her a hug. Give the SDAs time. They will have their prophetic spin on it. It is so peaceful to rest in Jesus and let Him take care of all of this. I no longer have to worry about the end of time. God, you are awesome. Diana | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 274 Registered: 7-2004 |
I want to weight in that I believe that the pope who we just lost was a man of God. It was clear by the way that he lived his life that Jesus was central in his thinking and activities. It always irked me to hear people of the SDA persuasion referring to him as "The Beast Power." We may not know what manner of man the next pope will be, but this one is shaking hands with Jesus right now. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1294 Registered: 3-2004 |
Belva, I have never said it out loud, but have thought the same thing. He was such a compassionate, kind person. I have an uncle who is a priest in Mexico, who is such a compassionate, Godly man. When he gave the mass at our family reunion in 1996, I and all my family went to it. His sermon was about the prodigal son and could have been preached in an SDA church, a spanish speaking one, as the sermon was in spanish. I believe he will be in heaven also. I never did like how SDAs referred to Catholics because I have some super relative who are Catholics. Diana | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1295 Registered: 3-2004 |
Stan, Thanks for that word of advice about eon. That person answered one of my posts and I answered back. I will not engage in debate or any contentious words. Diana |
