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| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1274 Registered: 3-2004  |
More important than having fun and frustrating our friends at the R/S web site, is the fact that we quoted only the Bible. When we did not waver and showed them where they were reading things out of context, that frustrated them or what ever else it can be called because of their calling the FAF posters names and being so snide and nasty. All we did was give them the Bible, with nothing else. That was something they did not seem to understand. And I blame that woman, EGW, and her influence on all SDAs. She permeates every aspect of their lives. That is what I call the EGW filters and we all have experienced that. Again, I say, let us continue to pray for them. I know some of them lurk here, so I hope they see that we do pray for them. God is calling His sheep and His sheep know His voice and will respond. God is truly awesome. Diana ps: Susan, you got it!! | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 100 Registered: 3-2005 |
It is staring to get real interesting, on the "It couldnt be clearer" thread on R/S. Diana, You have really posted some real Christ centered messages on that thread. It is awesome(to use your words) what God has done in your life, and that love for Jesus really comes through on your posts. Maybe they'll get the message that "they will know that we are Christians by our love! Stan | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 495 Registered: 10-2004  |
I let Mr. O'Ffill know exactly how I feel just now. I could not stand his arrogant, condescending, judging, unChristian posts. Here's the link: http://www.revivalsermons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=6982#6982 Jeremy | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1275 Registered: 3-2004 |
Jeremy, I notice you do not use pastor but call him Mr. I cannot blame you for that. I read your post and I can identify with you. All we can do is pray for the pastor and all those SDAs posting on there. Stan, every time I post on the R/S site, I ask God to tell me what to write. So I thank Him for those posts. They are His work, not mine. It would be nice, wonderful, awesome if those folks got the message that "they will know we are Christians by our love". All we can do is leave them in God's hands now. He knows best how to get to them and if God wants any of us to go back there and post, we will do it. God is truly awesome. Diana | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 101 Registered: 3-2005 |
Yes, Diana, it is quite apparent that the Holy Spirit is leading in your posting. Keep up the good work! Stan | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 102 Registered: 3-2005 |
Jeremy, I have appreciated so much of your posting on both sites. I have felt,{whether wrongly or rightly} that we should try to show them as much as possible our joy and love for Jesus as possible. Because, it ihas become apparent that serious theological debate will not work with most of that group. I have wanted to show respect for Pastor O'Ffill, since he is allowing us to come on his site. I would just like to appeal for a change in tactics, so we can maybe convince them that "we will show them we are Christians by our love. God Bless You Jeremy, as you have really contended for the faith, once for all delivered to the saints. Stan | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 255 Registered: 7-2004 |
Stan, I am so proud of you for standing up to Pastor O'Ffill. He finally asked a cogent question instead of dancing around the issues, and a good and proper answer came his way via a new poster named Lynric. I'd like nothing better than to go tell Pastor O'Ffill how it felt when his precious SDA doctrines failed me when I was trying to share my faith by revealing "the beauty of the IJ", how my research after that proved that the whole system is held together with proof-texting baling wire, and end-time-prophet duct tape. I really do wonder if he doesn't wake up nights in a cold sweat wondering about what he is teaching people. Does he even see what we've been privileged to see, and if so, how can he look himself in the mirror? If someone is genuinely involved in the SDA faith, and following all of the precepts from an honest heart that is one thing, but I have a built-in distrust of the influential ministers because I view them as having sold their souls to the denomination for their paychecks. That is why the story told by Lynric was so perfect. I personally don't know which description fits in this situation. My prayers are with each of you as you post, and with each of the SDA's as they read what we've posted, hoping that somehow the real truth about the love of Jesus Christ, which passes all human understanding, will clear away some of the web of confusion that their doctrines are built on. They cannot go on forever trying to keep both covenants at the same time. Either keep the law perfectly (impossible, because we've all already blown it), or accept the Grace of Jesus. There is no law+grace. God be with you all Belva | ||
| Praisegod Registered user Username: Praisegod Post Number: 284 Registered: 3-2004  |
Belva, unless he's changed over the years, I doubt highly that Pastor O'Ffill sees what anyone is saying. I remember one time at the Southern Union Evangelism Conference, even as an outsider I happened to catch some dynamics at a luncheon event. I could say somewhat confidently that the evangelical pastors steer clear of Pastor O'Ffill. Just one of those quick, political moments that the Holy Spirit gives you discernment to visualize. Praise God... | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 256 Registered: 7-2004 |
Dear Praisegod, Are you aware that Walk_In_The_Light is quoting you word-for-word at R/S. Okay, so the good pastor is oblivious to the fraud that has been perpetrated upon SDA's by the GC and the White Estate. That's a little easier to swallow. To paraphrase one of Colleen's favorite statement's, in the SDA church you either have the liars, or the lied-to. I think we are encountering the latter sort for the most part over at R/S. They have completely bought into EGW, and will go to the mat for her. I can understand that. I wasn't as fond of some of her writings as these folks seem to be, but I was willing to believe that what she had written was at the bidding of God. I'm grateful that I came out of that trance. It was a painful awakening for me. It almost felt like I woke up with a glass of poison kool-aid in my hand. Very scarey! Day's spent crying, feeling abused by pastors and educators, people I had trusted. I guess they were just as deluded as I was, but I can't accept that all of them were that deluded. And if they weren't deluded they were sell-outs. And the individuals I knew worked for a conference that was very poor. Don't get me wrong, I've forgiven them. It is the system that would allow this to continue, and not just continue but as has been mentioned on another thread here, they are repackaging EGW and reselling her to new generations. What ever happened to the commandment (they keep commandments, don't they?) that says "Thou shalt not bear false witness." Belva | ||
| Praisegod Registered user Username: Praisegod Post Number: 286 Registered: 3-2004 |
Wow, Belva. So I'm now famous and being quoted?  That's ok, since I'm only giving my perceptions of back when I was still SDA. The Holy Spirit has me on a "forum fast" for all these other websites right now because they can consume so much time so I'm totally unaware. In some ways, I can accept people who honestly believe Adventism way more than I can those who do so much fast talking around why they still want to remain in the SDA church even though they don't believe many of the key doctrines. I can understand cultural Adventism for someone who doesn't know Jesus. But, try for all my might, I just can't understand pastors and conferences officials who are enlightened and refuse to do anything about it. Praise God... | ||
| Bmorgan Registered user Username: Bmorgan Post Number: 27 Registered: 7-2000 |
This post is especially for YOU,lurkers, from O'Ffill's, R/S forum. You mock and doubt the expression of joy stated by the believers especially those who left your demonination. Look in your (SDA) hymnal, you should find the song penned therein. Do you sing it? Perhaps, it means nothing to you. When I was immersed in the sda system, I sang the hymn on numerous occasion but I NEVER understood in my heart the depth of the joy. Today, I can talk, TELL you and sing about that unspeakable JOY!!! READ THE WORDS OF THE HYMN below: I have found His grace is all complete, He supplieth evíry need; While I sit and learn at Jesusí feet, I am free, yes, free indeed. Refrain It is joy unspeakable and full of glory, Full of glory, full of glory, It is joy unspeakable and full of glory, Oh, the half has never yet been told. I have found the pleasure I once craved, It is joy and peace within; What a wondrous blessing! I am saved From the awful gulf of sin. Refrain I have found that hope so bright and clear, Living in the realm of grace; Oh, the Saviorís presence is so near, I can see His smiling face. Refrain I have found the joy no tongue can tell, How its waves of glory roll! It is like a great oíerflowing well, Springing up within my soul. Refrain Praise the Lord. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 105 Registered: 3-2005 |
AMEN! Nene, thanks so much for sharing that song. I pray that someday the blinders will come off some of those folks, so they can also appreciate the depth and beauty of that song. Stan | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 106 Registered: 3-2005 |
Wow! I just got through reading all the posts since last night. What an interesting discussion. There seems to be new life breathed in over there, and it is exciting! Keep up the good work! Jeremy, you were great with the Ratzlaff and Mormon comparison with Comforth. Stan | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1277 Registered: 3-2004 |
I just read all the new posts on the R/S web site. There are new posters who are filled with the Holy Spirit to join us. Jeremy, Stan, God is using the both of you as well as the new posters of that site. I remember each of you in my prayers that you write what God wants you to write. He is truly awesome. Diana | ||
| Bmorgan Registered user Username: Bmorgan Post Number: 28 Registered: 7-2000 |
Stan, There is always hope. You were so funny in response to Walk. >>Hello Walk, You mean you really crossed the line at times? No, not you! Thanks for your candor, though. Stan << Walk NEVER crosses the line. He walks,overboard. He just sounded judgmental, being unkind, cruel, hostile, and sometimes acted and sounded a tad crazy in his posts to anyone who disagreed with him about EGW and the doctrines of the sda. Afterall, how could walk, be wrong? He is standing up, defending the TRUTH. He is SDA, you are not. SDAs are ALWAYS right. According to him Unbelievers-in-EGW, are on their way to perdition. He is frustrated by you,the bold, articulate, Bible believing Former Adventists. You have the audacity to confidently say: "I am saved." Besides, you invaded the R/S forum and post scriptures which challenge sda doctrines and Prophet-EGW. Formers are sola scriptura. You believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God, and Salvation is by FAITH ALONE. Oh, dear! what can the matter be? I hope Walk MIGHT be admitting he'd wrong some people, And needs to apologise. I also hope when he reads this post, he will be man enough to apologise to those he wronged,viz. Greg, Truthseeker, Bill among others. Walk said.. >>I admit that I have crossed the line on some posts too. But we have to be men here and admit when we are wrong. Thanks for your candor in the matter.<< Even if you have to stand alone, walk, just do the right thing... hint, hint as you lurk here, Mr. Walk. Thanks, Stan for helping him walk toward, not just stare CANDOR. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 107 Registered: 3-2005 |
Nene, Thanks for that. Let us pray that some day he will be "walking in the light", in the glorious Gospel of Grace. If it happened to my Dad, then it can happen to the "walk man", by God's Grace. Stan | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 108 Registered: 3-2005 |
Belva, I just read the very last post you addressed to Walk. All I can say is what a great note to retire on for the night. What a beautiful statement of the faith, and it so exemplifies the Spirit of Christ, that I believe is so important to convey. Amen, and thanks, Stan | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 109 Registered: 3-2005 |
Stop the Presses everyone! Kevin Mortenson aka, the colporteur, has just compared all us former SDAs to homosexuals! Isn't that great! I just hope he continues to expose himself for what he really is! Stan | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 110 Registered: 3-2005 |
Pastor O has just edited out what colporteur said, and then took out my response. He said that FA were like homosexuals who just wanted everyone to accept them, or something like that to that effect. Stan | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 257 Registered: 7-2004 |
My experience posting at R/S has been a true eye-opener. What I've noticed is how consistent the posts by FAFers have been. Although we came out of SDA into several different denominational platforms, we all understand the salvation process in pretty much the same way. On the other hand the SDA's are not consistent even within their own denomination. There are some who are courageous enough to claim salvation (not many), and some who are willing to acknowledge that they may not know everything about the scriptures. Then there are the militantly SDA who act like they have been cornered without their EGW crib notes. This means that they can't even agree with each other, much less the influx of an outside influence such as ourselves. Regardless, I've also been privileged to witness movement toward Jesus, and to witness the revealing of "a righteousness without knowledge." We have to remain bathed in prayer. If you are like me you are weary of saying the same things over and over, but I think someone mentioned that for a person to truly get what the gospel is saying they need to hear it an average of 70 times. Is that true? Okay, we have to keep repeating ourselves to allow the quota to be met and hopefully open some hearts and minds. I love you all, you are my dear brothers and sisters of the internet. I'm a little upset at myself because I allowed myself to get sucked back into the fray at R/S. I have other things to do, but I felt the call of the Holy Spirit to tell my story one more time. I pray that the blessing of that same Holy Spirit will be on the words that are now emblazoned on the internet for all to see. I'm so glad that Jesus loves me, and you, too. Belva |
