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| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 245 Registered: 7-2004 |
Jeremy, you do have to admit that you have posted the quotation from Timothy a few times. I giggle every time I see it posted, though, and I noticed that Walk does understand what you are driving at when you post it. Do any of you remember those "picture within a pictures" that were so popular in the early '90s? My daughter is dyslexic, so of course she could see the unicorns, or eagles, or whatever was being pictured without even trying. She had a friend, however, who never did manage the art of adjusting her gaze to allow her to see the hidden images. That may be the problem with people who have focused so hard on defending the SDA position that they have removed all likelihood of getting the ahah. The gaze adjustment that a lot of SDA's need is to put their eyes on Jesus, not diet, not calendars, not time tables, and definitely not some denominationally adjusted interpretation of prophecy -- only Jesus. Manage that focus, and any other necessary things will snap into clear view. Belva | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 481 Registered: 10-2004  |
Belva, I just had to post the quote again, when Walk talked about "doctrines of devils," and then would not answer what the Bible says they are and asked me to tell him what I think!  Hehe. It's neat, because EGW liked to quote part of that passage from 1 Timothy ALL the time, about falling away from the faith and giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, and she used the phrase "doctrines of devils" so much that I guess her followers use it often, too. But that gives us opportunity to tell them what the Bible says those doctrines of devils actually are! I was not about to pass up the opportunity to try to drive home the point that it's important to see what the Bible actually says those doctrines of devils ARE! Jeremy | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 247 Registered: 7-2004 |
I agree with you. A case taken from recent headlines, the David Koresh business, Koresh gathered up a band of mostly SDA's, and turned the men into mental eunuchs, and the women all had to be a part of his harem. He forbade marriage for anyone but himself. Anyone could see how twisted Koresh's theology was. Any time you allow yourself to concentrate too much on one point (only 3 of the angel's messages) and not enough on another (full forgiveness in Christ) you are bound to run into trouble. Belva | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1737 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jeremy, I went to read over there. I saw where you mentioned the Signs article I referred to above on the 23rd. When I saw that Signs at the newstand in town here where folks can grab a free copy I took one and I was truly agast at what I read. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1256 Registered: 3-2004  |
It is so sad to see the R/S folks not get what the Bible really says. I have to constantly remember that they have on glasses that I used to wear. I call them my EGW filters. Until those are dropped, they will not see what the Bible really says. Diana | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 347 Registered: 4-2000  |
The Branch Davidians of Seventh-day Adventists sent me an unsolicited email message this morning. I briefly looked at their materials online. It is obvious that they adore the writings of Samuele Bacchiocci and Ellen White. Basically, they hate alot of people--including Catholics and Mel Gibson. They remind me of historic Adventism--sharing the same prophetess and lifestyle. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 248 Registered: 7-2004 |
I'm surprised they are not still in hiding over the Waco fiasco. Belva | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 250 Registered: 7-2004 |
Our friends over in R/S land have decided to ignore any posts we might make in their precious website. Evidently they want to keep it an in-bred society and since they are so convinced that they have all the truth and are the only ones capable of discerning scripture for its true meanings, I say they can have it. We more than fulfilled our purpose and anything further would just be more repeating ourselves. I'm tired of doing that, particularly when it comes to having those words fall on deaf ears. We should pray over the planting and pray for a harvest in the future. I love you guys, you have been tremendous, patient, and clear as to purpose. You have been ladies and gentlemen, you have poured out your hearts in Christian love, but have planted your feet and stood fast when necessary because to have done less would have been to compromise God's awesome truth. As for me, I'm weary of petty people and will do my best to continue my life as the Lord leads me, and share my joy in the Lord with people who are willing to listen. I've removed the R/S address from my bookmarks, and will rest easy knowing that, for the most part, I was a lady. At least I only called someone a donkey once--there were ever so many more opportunities to do so. Happy Easter, all of you. This will be the first time I've attended Good Friday Services, and I'm really looking forward to it. Again, God's riches blessings of hope, joy, love and faith to all of you. Belva | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 149 Registered: 7-2000  |
"I only called someone a donkey once--there were ever so many more opportunities to do so." That apt statement gave me a good laugh. Thanks, Belva! | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1740 Registered: 11-2002 |
"...never ending weekly Sabbath cycle in the new earth." What the heck is omnigirl talking about? | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 821 Registered: 7-2003  |
When I was researching the SDA/Davidian connection a few years ago, I found there were a number of other cult spinoffs from adventism. One had a prophet who gave them the "4th and 5th angels message". It didn't end with the Davidians, unfortunately. I don't know about omnigirl, but I know B says "we" will all observe the sabbath in the new earth. When I asked "how" since there is no day or night, he didn't know, but he knew we would. Maybe that's related. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 251 Registered: 7-2004 |
Isaiah 66:22,23 says -- "As the new heavens and new earth that I make will endure before me," declares the Lord, "so will your name and descendants endure. From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says the Lord. This is one of the proof texts that Adventism uses to say that the 4th commandment is a forever requirement. Any time someone shows them evidence from the NT that the 10C's have been fulfilled, they will trot this verse out. Since it is supposed to be a description of recreated earth, they say they can draw a line from the seventh day of creation straight through to the earth made new, and Sabbath is there. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 252 Registered: 7-2004 |
Isaiah 66:22,23 says -- "As the new heavens and new earth that I make will endure before me," declares the Lord, "so will your name and descendants endure. From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says the Lord. This is one of the proof texts that Adventism uses to say that the 4th commandment is a forever requirement. Any time someone shows them evidence from the NT that the 10C's have been fulfilled, they will trot this verse out. Since it is supposed to be a description of recreated earth, they say they can draw a line from the seventh day of creation straight through to the earth made new, and Sabbath is there. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1258 Registered: 3-2004 |
I just came back from the R/S web site. I kind of get the impression that Pastor O'Ffill liked the discussion or he would have asked us to leave. He only asked that we not talk about EGW. When I read what the SDAs wrote I HAVE to remember how I felt when I was wearing those EGW filters. Those folks are wearing those filters and do not realize it. That is very sad. So let us not forget to pray for them at our special times and in between times also. It is so difficult to understand the Bible with those *&^%$_%&^#(*%^@_& filters on. Sorry Colleen and Richard. I get so frustrated because of the influence of that woman!!! She permeates their whole life. I guess each of us knows that. God has had us plant the seed. He will cultivate it and feed it and take care of it. So, again, I say, remember them in our prayers. God is awesome. Diana | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1742 Registered: 11-2002 |
I just went over there. Walk is rewriting the Pillers of the SDA Faith. I guess he wants a more consisive list than the official 27 fundamentals. I noticed nowhere on his list is the Resurrection. That's missing the #1 piller of Chistianity. Also, the faithful SDA's have decided having the FA's come invade their site was good training for what they'll be up against in the papalpower last days. Weird stuff. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 90 Registered: 3-2005 |
I never cease to be amazed by those right wing cultists at RS. I posted what I thought was a rather benign post on Good Friday, with a simple recap of the basic facts of Christ's life and Gospel. Then look at the sarcastic response from Colporteur. This, for me sums up what these people are about. My mother used to teach me to pray for the colporteurs and missionaries. That colporteur definitely needs prayers. That post is on "wandered after the Beast" thread. So now, I have started posting, HE IS RISEN,INDEED! at other sites to see how long it takes me to get kicked off. Maybe, that is the way we should bow out over there, by flooding them with words to Gospel Hymns--Folks, that is what gets them DARN MAD! This has been a lot of fun, but I am encouraged by several evangelical sdas reaction to our posting. Congratulations to everyone who posted over there, It was a fun ride, BUT, more importantly for me this is evidence of what the spirit of Adventism really is. I had not realized that before until just recently, even though I am 20 years out. A Blessed Easter everyone! Stan | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1267 Registered: 3-2004 |
Like you Stan, I did not know what SDAs really believed about Jesus and the Bible and what the spirit of adventism really is until I decided not to rejoin the church. I have learned so much just browsing and reading their posts of R/S and then reading those from FAs. Then I come here and read what everyone writes here and I can feel the love emanating from my computer. I am only a year out and I have a lot to learn. I am looking forward to my first Resurrection Sunday out of Adventism. Last year I had just decided not to rejoin, but had not connected with any Christian church at Easter. Have a Blessed Easter all. God is awesome. Diana | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 253 Registered: 7-2004 |
Happy Easter to all of you. I just did a quick perusal at R/S and it nearly brought me to tears. These are people chosing to remain blind to scripture because of their prophet. All the while I was growing up the most I remember being taught about the resurrection was that Jesus was in the tomb on Sabbath in keeping with the 4th commandment. I was talking to my daughter this morning and I told her that that Sabbath following the crucifiction was the darkest day in history, because the creator God was literally dead, and had it not been for the trinity aspect of God, we were just a breath away from winking out of existence. But Glory be to God that the story did not end there. The following morning was the brightest morning in history because salvation had been confirmed for all believers, for all time. God was in control, and Satan had lost all hope of dominion. It is so easy to forget the magnitude of that weekend. I wanted to share one last post made by Pastor O'Ffill, who I think is a good man as Adventist ministers go, but in this post is a profound confession: ---------- Only the Ten Commandments were inside the Ark of the Covenant. The rest were on the outside. That tells us something don't you think. The law on the outside was also referred to as the ordinances that were against us. We must disagree. There were laws and then there is the law. The Jews see them as all the same. But then they are Jews. Certain non-Sabbath keeping Christians may see them as all the same and so be it. Seventh-day Adventist see it differently. That is why I am one. ---------- Here he states clearly that it an Adventist choice to see the 10C's as "The Law" and to make much of the fact that they are carved on stone and stored under the mercy seat. He admits that this does not jive with the Jewish view of the law, "But then they are Jews." There is no scriptural validation for this stand, it is merely an Adventist distinctive. Nuff Said! Thank you, Jesus, for surrendering your life to save our lives, and thank you for taking it up again so that we may have lives in eternity with you! What an amazing, outrageously loving Saviour he is! Belva | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1269 Registered: 3-2004 |
So, we continue to pray for Pastor O'Ffill and all the SDA posters on the R/S web site. The pastor let us continue to post on there if we did not mention EGW. Maybe he was hoping that the SDAs would convince us formers of our errors. I will not make a judgement on the SDA posters Christianity because I know they have the EGW filters on and do not know it. But, by their words and attitudes, I would not even be curious as to what SDA beliefs are, if I were not a Christian. I would not ask them a single question about the Bible/Jesus/salvation. Then there are the lurkers on that site. The Gospel may reach a few of them because of what we wrote. So, I continue to pray for them. Jesus loves them also. I can do no less. Diana | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1749 Registered: 11-2002 |
So, let me see if I got it right. Pastor O'Fill is a SDA because of the law, the 10 Commandments. He is not SDA because it is a Christian organization that holds up Jesus as Our Saviour? Oh yeah, I remember reading over on that site where he said it is not the purpose f the SDA church save the lost, Billy Graham and his types do that very well. Yep, I think I've got it. |
