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| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1241 Registered: 3-2004  |
Thanks Jeremy. So she did not say anything about Deuteronomy and makes it sound like there will not be a sabbath in heaven. That is interesting. As for the quote from Acts, it sounds like she agrees with it. Am I understanding her correctly? That makes how many times she contradicts herself??? I need not to judge her. My humanity comes out and I get sarcastic. I apologize. Judgement belongs to God and not me. Diana | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 465 Registered: 10-2004  |
In the quote about Acts 15, EGW is stating the typical SDA view that when the apostles said the Gentiles didn't need to keep "the Law of Moses" it only meant the "ceremonial law." Meaning they were supposed to keep the "Moral Law/10 Cs", just not the "Ceremonial Law." Jeremy | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 20 Registered: 2-2005 |
I found this quote interesting that Walk_in_the_light posted over on R/S. This folks is why it can be said without hesitation that EGW's message was unequivocally anti-gospel. **** There are grand truths, long hidden under the rubbish of error, that are to be revealed to the people. The doctrine of justification by faith has been lost sight of by many who have professed to believe the third angel's message. The 361 Holiness people have gone to great extremes on this point. With great zeal they have taught, "Only believe in Christ, and be saved; but away with the law of God." This is not the teaching of the Word of God. There is no foundation for such a faith. This is not the precious gem of truth that God has given to His people for this time. This doctrine misleads honest souls. The light from the Word of God reveals the fact that the law must be proclaimed. Christ must be lifted up, because He is a Saviour who forgiveth transgression, iniquity, and sin, but will by no means clear the guilty and unrepentant soul.--The Review and Herald, Aug. 13, 1889. {1SM 360.3} **** | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 321 Registered: 5-2002 |
yeah, well best of luck keeping next Sabbath holy buddy... | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 322 Registered: 5-2002 |
oh yeah, and another 9 things... Never EVER have any god before God. Never EVER make any image of any living thing for worship. Never EVER take God's name in vain. Never EVER dishonor your father or mother. Never EVER kill. Never EVER steal. Never EVER commit adultery. Never EVER bear false witness against your neighbor. Never EVER covet anything belonging to anybody. Keeping the law is a fallacy, Israel proved that. "Trying" or even "doing one's best and letting God do the rest" doesn't count to an eternally holy God. What some call "upholding the law" really discounts the law and brings it down to merely acknowledging the 10 Commandments as rule and then glibly claiming to keep them because one "keeps" a Sabbath on Saturday and is a member of a church that evangelizes others that they must "keep" the law that they themselves really do not "keep"! You who uphold the law, do you dishonor God by your breaking of it? Only one kept the law, the God/man Jesus Christ. So good luck keeping the law, including the Sabbath. | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 21 Registered: 2-2005 |
Freeatlast, Thanks for your posts, Free. But, whoa! Please read what I said again. I posted this EGW passage as proof that she was most definitely ANTI-Gospel (or stated another way -- contrary to the Gospel), not to promote law keeping. I think you misunderstood and thought the opposite. I was trying to use her own words to point out how she contradicts the clear words of the Gospel of Christ. Heretic | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 70 Registered: 3-2005 |
Well, it looks like all the current threads on R/S have dried up after that flurry of activity on the "Beast" thread yesterday. Colporteur would not answer me directly if Christ was a created being or not. There is an interesting exchange on the "Message from the Holy Spirit thread. I think Walk and Col have been exposed as to who they really are, and that is being recognized by the other SDAs like Truth Seeker. I loved the post where John H on the "Is it ever OK to lie" thread, where he tried to lecture Jeremy on the fact that the Bible wasn't verbally inspired. Stan | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 185 Registered: 5-2004  |
Stan & Jeremy I can't thank you enough for the peace you've brought my soul today. I pulled up Jeremy's post to see what he said since my dad and I have had this converstation regarding verbal inspiration...to which he said, " so that's the root of this problem". (shrug) Anyway, that link you gave I really appreciated, and then my eyes went back to the line "Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away" (Mark 13:31). I've read that a million times in my life, but it never sank in. Do you guys remember the SDA theory about our Bibles being taken from us and having to stand for our faith with nothing to encourage us, while those Sunday worshippers hunted us down? Ha, yet another SDA fallacy foiled! Praise God for His mercy and lovingkindness! His name is the greatest and most precious thing in the universe!  | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 324 Registered: 5-2002 |
Hey Heretic, no misunderstanding here. I was actually trying to amplify the quote and point out the heresy of legalism and the hypocricy of those who claim to keep the law and command others to do what they cannot themselves do. I see that it may have sounded as if I was replying directly to you, but it was intended for the broader audience of lurkers who actually self-righeously believe that they keep the law and that you and I must as well. Thanks for the great post! | ||
| Heretic Registered user Username: Heretic Post Number: 23 Registered: 2-2005 |
Freeatlast, Phew! Ok, good. No problem. I'm glad we're on the same page now, since I misunderstood.:-) But what a great quote to give to those who claim Mrs. Ellen is consistent with scripture when the NT clearly says otherwise. It's amazing how clear this all becomes once the frame of reference changes. | ||
| Jjustinn Registered user Username: Jjustinn Post Number: 7 Registered: 3-2005 |
I don't remember who was asking about the other Sabbath keeping denominations on the R/S site, but Walk is talking about it now in Issues in Contemporary Worship, Sabbath and Sanctification I think. Whoever it was come pop in. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1731 Registered: 11-2002 |
It was me. I am the one who asked him if he considers the Sabbath to be the final test of the truth then does that include the other 300+ denominations that observe the weekly Sabbath. Also, over there some of the SDA's would ask for the difnaio of sin. I would repond by quoting James 4:17. No one has commented on that difination of sin. I did comment over there that the nun over at the local prayer group claims 100% answers to the groups prayers. Pastor O'Fill totally missed waht I was tryin to convey and responded to me that even satan answers our prayers. I have never again posted ovr there. I do read it nearly daily. The nun always prays "thy will be done". Therefore, she KNOWS whatever is the answer to the prayer is an answer from our Heavenly Father. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1732 Registered: 11-2002 |
They're having quite a discussion over there about the great controversery and when we'll finily get to vindicate God. Kind of makes me think about the front cover and the leading story in the Signs Of The Times around a year ago. It said in big letters, "When We Will Judge God". To my thinking that is just plain and simply blasphomus to even think that way. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 80 Registered: 3-2005 |
Susan, or anyone else, What thread is that discussion on that you just talked about above? Stan | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1734 Registered: 11-2002 |
It's under the heading, "Thoughts on This Weeks Sabbath School Lesson". | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 325 Registered: 5-2002 |
Heretic, that is exactly what finalized my long and drawn-out exit from Seventh-day Adventism. On one hand, I had a quote from Ellen White's Camden vision where she said Jesus showed her that we should not pray for those who had rejected the SDA message because the door of salvation was shut, and on the other hand I had Jesus' own words in Matthew 5 telling me to pray for my enemies and those who persecute me. God had finally backed me into a corner where I had to choose Ellen vs. Jesus. Praise God that He showed me clearly who to choose! It reminds me of the old Dire Straits lyric, "Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong." One simply can't cling to Ellen White and be a participating member of the body of Christ. The two are diametrically opposed to each other. I was forced to choose me that day whom I would serve, and I am thankful that God put me in that corner so I would choose Him. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 479 Registered: 10-2004 |
I am now being told over at RS that I should be banned for calling the great controversy "blasphemy." Walk is also saying I should be banned for quoting 1 Timothy 4:1-5 (implying that SDAs teach doctrines of demons). Jeremy | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 779 Registered: 7-2003  |
If the text fits.......... | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 244 Registered: 7-2004 |
Freeatlast, I hear you loud and strong. I keep saying this about posting at R/S, it is frustrating because there are none so blind as those who will not see. I seem to have locked horns with Walk, but then, who hasn't? I know he is going to read every little word of this, so how do I say this so that he really gets where I'm coming from...Once Jesus has led you to a truth, you will be damned, literally, if you refuse to acknowledge the reality of that truth. I can say it here, no Pastor O'Ffill restrictions! Ellen White's teachings miserably fail the prophet test. She said there would be people who were in the little band that were at a meeting with her that would live until Jesus came. All are dead now. If a prophet doesn't bat 1000, that means they are prophecying for the other team. That is a minor point that I mentioned, but no less part of her test. She taught so many things about how to be a stiff-necked, self-righteous religious zealot, and if you follow her teachings you will become so self-absorbed in what you call Christianity that you simply won't notice that you turning everyone around you OFF! Turning them off to the love of Jesus, because if your behavior is a hint to what being Christ-filled looks like, no one else is going to want to touch it with a ten foot pole. Having encountered more than one such person in the SDA church has convinced me that there is something drastically wrong with their message. Of course, I still attended, and moved through that atmosphere, and rubbed shoulders with some of those people--painful! The real thing that took me out of that environment was facing the fact that EGW couldn't even agree with herself. Then the IJ issue blew up in my face and I had to face reality, finally. As stated in Free's post, one can't hold onto EGW and Christ with the same hand. I've decided to hold onto Jesus, only Jesus. Belva | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 326 Registered: 5-2002 |
Thank you Belva, we are in complete agreement. Remember that even Jesus Himself could not even get the Pharisees to bend their stiff necks. If legalists hardened their hearts to the Savior Himself, we should expect no less. But, like Jesus, we must simply keep telling the truth until they cut us off. People are genuinely paying attention to this dialogue, and the Holy Spirit is speaking to hearts. And, if they turn you off in that forum, just go to another. |
