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| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1707 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yeah, Diana, you said just what I was meaning. I have a friend who lives in a cave. At one point in her life she owned no shoes and only a skimpy tanktop and a pair of almost worn-out very short shorts. I took her to church with me several Sundays. She actually had been raised in Minnesota as a Lutheran and then she went hippy and became a cave lady. She loves going to church with me. I sometimes think if I was SDA would I feel so comfortable bringing her to church with me there. In fact, I ran into her around a week ago. She has a cell phone now so I can call her on Saturday evenings to check if she wants to attend church with me. She has even talked with the pastor about taking the new member class. I'm very fortunate that I have a car because I can bring this friend to the church as her only transportation is a bicycle or hoofing it. I've been so blessed! | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1709 Registered: 11-2002 |
What is The 490 Year Prophecy that Colporter mentions in a post he wrote yesterday on Pastor O'Fills site? Is that something exclusuively SDA/EGW or is it Bibical? | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 132 Registered: 7-2000  |
The 490 years refers to the "70 weeks" of Daniel 9:24. SDA's link this prophecy to the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14, as part of their "proof" for the 1844 date for the "cleansing of the sanctuary." | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 232 Registered: 7-2004 |
I've gone back to lurking over at R/S. Sometimes I wonder why. I just read, now, old posts, new posts, just testing the water. It has been a great confirmation time for me. I'm so glad that I've placed my confidence in Jesus and the Bible. The posts made quoting their favorite prophet give me the creeps. Oh dear, now I've gone and said something antagonistic. Thank you, all of you, for being so supportive. Truth Seeker, if you come by, let me thank you for saying nice things about us here at FAF. The people here would send you the shirt off their backs if you needed it. And they will help you with your research. We have all been fooled when it came to religion, and we don't want to be fooled again. If we mention something that doesn't have solid Biblical support, the rest of us will call you on it, and give you good information to back up the corrections. The only reason we ended up posting at R/S was because some people reported in that a bunch of SDA's were beating up on a minister's grandson who had studied his way out of the church and had the gaul to follow his Saviour instead of his grandfather. He loves his granddad. That is obvious, but Jesus made it clear that we must love Him more than anyone else in our family. That kid loves Jesus more. He's doing things right! Thank you for letting me vent. If this has been offensive, then please take it off the website. Love you guys! Belva | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1228 Registered: 3-2004  |
I do the same thing Belva. I go to the R/S web site and read new and old posts and think, how can they miss what they read in the Bible. Then I remember the glasses that I used to wear and remember the R/S writers have those glasses on now. And we cannot point it out to them because the subject has been closed by the pastor. I want to cry because of that. I pray for Bucky, that God will hold him up and keep him strong. He does love his grandfather, but he loves Jesus more. I posted one last time inviting TS to visit us here, as you had done. I pray he will come to visit us. And Truthseeker, if you are reading this forum, you will see that we use only Biblical support for what we say. We will let off steam or vent about how adventism treats or has treated us, but that does not mean we do not love our adventist brothers and sisters. We love them very much. We just do not believe their prophet and think she is a false prophet. As I read the R/S website I tell myself, thank you God for taking me out of the SDA church and giving me Jesus. He is all I need. I guess I needed to vent some also. I thank you for listening and like Belva, if it is offensive, please take it off the website. I love all of you. Diana | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 234 Registered: 7-2004 |
Diana, the way they miss it is when they read a truth in the scriptures that does not match up with their beliefs the search through EGW to see what she has to say about it, and since the doctrines are based more on her than on scripture they can always find confirmation for their beliefs. They just won't admit that they are looking through the telescope the wrong way. Any time you check the scriptures by someone else instead of checking the modern author by the scriptures, you're going to end up with the wrong information. Belva | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 59 Registered: 3-2005 |
Diana, You are more gracious than I would be. There is one recent post of yours where you write a very gracious line to Walk and Colporteur, where you tell them that you consider them brothers in Christ. At least Colporteur expressed his problems with the Trinity, which if he denies the doctrine of the Trinity, which I think he does, then that does not make him a brother. I agree with the others that Bill Mead and Truthseeker are the only true Christians on that site. Stan | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 235 Registered: 7-2004 |
There is yet another. His name is Dwayne. Let us hold him up in prayer. He's fighting all alone over there. Belva | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1231 Registered: 3-2004 |
Stan, I have to agree with you about Colporteur. I did read what he had written, but when I wrote my last post, I just included him. Diana | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 62 Registered: 3-2005 |
Diana, Keep up the good work on R/S. That post from today at 2:23pm, was very thoughtful, and that prayer for those on that site was expressed beautifully. Stan | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1233 Registered: 3-2004 |
There is another new person who calls him/herself "Eon". This person asks questions and makes comments, but is very accepting of the responses he/she gets. Lets put this person in our prayers also. It is amazing and awesome what happens when the Bible and Jesus have our focus. It never ceases to amaze me. We do have an awesome God. Diana | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 63 Registered: 3-2005 |
It is really heating up now on the Beast thread. Colporteur will not answer the simple question of whether he believes in the Trinity as stated in the SDA official statement of beliefs. He gets more mean spirited with every post. Stan | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 751 Registered: 7-2003  |
Wow, someone named Stephen just asked Col if he believed that all the persons of the Godhead were co-equal (or as Stephen put it, "equally devine"). Col said, "No"!!!!!! If the Father, Son, and Spirit are not co-equal than at least one of the persons of the Godhead is not the eternal God YHWH!!!!! Wow! I can only assume that Col has an arian view of Christ similar to early Adventist leaders. That is indeed very sad. It is remarkable to me that one may deny the nature of Jesus, one may deny the divinity of Jesus, one may deny the reliability of the Bible, one may deny that salvation is by and faith alone and still be accepted within the SDA fold. The only thing a SDA can't question is the Sabbath. So what does this say about what their true object of worship is????? Chris | ||
| Tracey Registered user Username: Tracey Post Number: 296 Registered: 9-2004 |
what website are you on?? | ||
| Tracey Registered user Username: Tracey Post Number: 297 Registered: 9-2004 |
YOu are telling the truth! Their TRUE object of worship.. I feel sorry for them. They are too arrogant in their beliefs. I tell you, we have the truth and the only thing WE can be confident in is Christ. I wouldn't dare say that I know everything the way that they do. what comes before a fall? A haughty spirit.  | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 64 Registered: 3-2005 |
Chris, I think that Colporteur really evaded the question. He at first answered yes, and then said he wouldn't elaborate. Did you find a post where Col did say they were not equal? Maybe I just missed it. But, it is clear he doesnt believe in the Trinity like we do, is the answer he gave me on the We've Been Fooled thread. He is now trying to backpedal. I have just asked him specifically about whether he believes Jesus is a created being. Stan | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 462 Registered: 10-2004  |
Chris, I think you misread the post. It was a little confusing to me at first. He said:
So he did say yes. But Stephen's question did not require a belief in the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity. He asked, "What do you believe about the Trinity? I believe that all the members of the Godhead--Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all equally divine and all God. This is also stated in the fundamental beliefs of Adventism. Isn't this your belief also?" So, even by answering yes, he is not necessarily saying he believes that the Holy Spirit is a person, or that Jesus is eternal and has always been God. Jeremy | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 752 Registered: 7-2003 |
Oops, you're both right Riverfonz and Jeremy. I did indeed misread his post. I thought he was giving the short answer of "no". I should be more careful as it is indeed a serious thing to accuse someone of rejecting the Trinity. I may need to apologize further if he ever clarifies further. My apologies to this group for misunderstanding and misreporting what I read. Chris | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 65 Registered: 3-2005 |
Again Chris, I'm not sure you are that wrong. Yes, lets wait, but I really do think that he rejects the Trinity the way you and I think of it. Stan | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 463 Registered: 10-2004 |
Diana, You wrote:
I finally looked up the texts, and apparently EGW never even quotes Deuteronomy 5:3. She does not quote Acts 15:20 directly but she does talk about the council that was held. She says, in part, the following:
She does quote Revelation 21:25 and Revelation 22:5, and she even makes it sound like the Sabbath won't be kept in heaven, as we won't have any need of rest there!
Jeremy |
