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| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 152 Registered: 5-2004  |
Jjustinn & Stan Welcome to the forum. I follow the discussions over there and chear you and Jeremy and Greg and Belva on from my monitor screen!  I've been fascinated to find out who the two of you were! I pray for you regularly and am thankful that you are able to handle the heat over there. Praise God for your testimony and your determination to share the Gospel! Can't wait to hear your stories and get to know you better. | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 153 Registered: 5-2004 |
BTW: Bmorgan, I agree with your observations on Pastor O'Ffill. I found it curious that he locked the place down, then extended the welcome back to you known formers. And lately, it's been obvious that he doesn't have the answers to rebuke you with. And he also sees the chinks in the logic of the historic adventists. I really think his refusal of any discussion of EGW is the only string that allows him to hold onto Adventism blindly. I am praying for a break in him especially. It would just take a slip in his own "knowing" and the Holy Spirit could bring the truth flooding in. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 502 Registered: 1-2003 |
I read about Charles Lee from the link provided and this made my blood run cold: Bro. Hanson was very friendly to me before he came under Mrs. W.'s influence. The day before I started to Chicago in the fall of 1874, he felt so interested in me that he came 3 miles purposely to relate a dream to me that he had dreamt the night before, which he declared God had given him for my good. He dreamt that I went to meet Miss Deedon, now my wife, and then he saw that we got into a great trouble. But we came out of the troubles at last. About that time a short woman, dressed in black reform dress, came to him and took him by the hand and led him off. She appeared to him as an angel of light. But soon he heard a voice calling to him, saying, "Beware of whom you are lead." At the same time the woman's hand turned cold as a piece of ice in his hand, and she appeared to him as a dark demon. This is the substance of the dream he told me. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 503 Registered: 1-2003 |
The second dream is equally as chilling: We kept quiet and appealed to God to convince them of the truth. They also sought God for light in regard to us. The second morning at the family worship they were more free with us. At the breakfast table, Bro. E. related a dream to us, that he had had during the night. He said he saw a great multitude of people looking for Christ to come. In the midst of the mass was Mrs. White. -- He had never seen her, but described her perfectly. All at once it became very dark upon the earth. He looked about him, and found but a small company in comparison with the great mass he first saw. In anxiety he cried out, "Where are they all gone?" A voice answered him, "They are all lost with Mrs. White." At that he awoke terrified. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 504 Registered: 1-2003 |
Sorry, I reposted the second dream...well, it's worth reading agian, isn't it! | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 387 Registered: 10-2004  |
Justin and Stan, welcome to the forum! We're glad to have you here. Jeremy | ||
| Greg Registered user Username: Greg Post Number: 40 Registered: 2-2005 |
Justin and Stan, After meeting you both on the other forum and through email, it's good to have you here where we can all benefit from your ingsights. In Christ, Greg | ||
| Greg Registered user Username: Greg Post Number: 41 Registered: 2-2005 |
ingsights = insights (my fingers are misbehaving today) | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1515 Registered: 12-2003  |
So glad you're here, Justin and Stan! I've also read some of your posts on the O'Fill site, and I'm glad you're joining us. We're looking forward to knowing you better! Welcome!! Colleen | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 62 Registered: 1-2003  |
Justin and Stan, Welcome to the forum. I have one question of you Stan, your name is familiar but can't place it for sure. My name is Richard Truitt, do I know you or your famly from somewhere? Richard rtruitt@mac.com | ||
| Chris Registered user Username: Chris Post Number: 681 Registered: 7-2003  |
Welcome to FAF Justin and Stan! Glad to have you posting! Hmm.....Ermshar....Ermshar.....that sounds familiar. I think I knew an Ermshar at Sunnydale Academy in MO. Any relation? Chris | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2005 |
Thanks for the warm welcome everyone. I also ran across Flyinglady on that other site, and she went to school with my cousins at Lynwood Academy. Just to briefly introduce myself, like Greg, I was educated from 1st grade thru an Internal Medicine residency at LLUMC graduating 76B class, and we are going to a reunion tomorrow. The Ermshar family name has been prominent in SDA circles for many years. My grandfather was Leo B. Halliwell who was a missionary for 27 years to the Amazon, and I am convinced he was a true Christian who didnt get into EGW much. Some of you may remember him rolling large anaconda snakeskins down the aisle at many different churches. I was brought up in the strictest of SDA homes with my Dad especially strict! He matched what many of you know and who many of us are skeptical that they can be changed. But God performed a miracle on his heart beyond belief, that I will mention later. While in Medical School,I had effectively thrown all religion out the window. In med school there was never the simple gospel of grace. All you heard was Jack Provonsha and Maxwell Moral Influence theory liberal nonsense. In 82 I had become sucessful in my professional world. But something was missing in my life. While on a cruise ship I was inexplicably drawn to a Gideon Bible in the drawer and by the time I had gotten to Matthew's account of the Passion,I then gave my life to Christ. But what to do next. I knew that what I had grown up with was wrong, and what I heard in liberal theology was wrong, so then started the most exhaustive theological search of the Bible and Reformation writers. Luther's lectures on Galatians really turned me around, and then I memorized the entire book of Galatians, and truly had great peace. I presented these findings to my Dad, and we had about 12 years of heated theological discussion and arguing, but he was always the most honest man. He studied for a long time and finally he admitted that he had been wrong all these years, and he attended with me a SDA Forum in San Diego in '94, in which I participated in a panel discussion about why I left the SDA church. He was very proud. He even stood up during Q and A and said what a ripoff the entire system was! Now I go with him whenever I can to an Evangelical church in Colton on Sunday! Here is a man who used to have all Sunday keepers condemned! I stayed away from SDA polemical debate for about 8 years, and then I started reading this web site, and became fascinated with Colleen's insight and testimony about the demonic like oppression involved with EGW and SDA. I was happy to leave SDAs alone to their litle world of legalism. But this also changed, when I attended a San Diego SDA forum where Dr Frederick Hoyt PHD, gave a most fascinating study where he found a paper where EGW actually claimed 100 personal visits--not in vision--but personal! There was also very strange occultic like aura, lights, and music associated with these visits--even the smell of flowers etc. I forwarded this info to Robert Sanders of www.truthorfables.com and if you go into topics and scroll down to EGW failed visions under 100 visits from Christ, you will find a remarkable presentation. My E mail address is also there on that link if anyone would like to reach me. I now know that there is a lost world in my former religion, and now want to participate in helping others like my father see the true Light of Christ plus nothing! Thanks Richard and Colleen for all of your helpful insights and providing this fine forum. Stan | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 3 Registered: 3-2005 |
Chris,What Ermshar did you know in MO? It had to be a relative, as we are all related, but I dont know who that was. Stan | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2005 |
I also want to commend all who have and are presenting on the infamous Bucky site. Greg, you sure had time to think out your arguments carefully. Jeremy, your insights also were great, and keep up the good work. Also I remember Nene, Belva, and Flyinglady. I think you are starting to penetrate the darkness. But the mentality of some of the people over there makes you wonder if it is worth your time, but maybe sometime they will come around My exchange with Colporteur regarding health issues on Temple Curtain pp14-16 show what kind of thinkingthey have. I am having trouble registering on that site now, due to the way aol is set up. Stan | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1519 Registered: 12-2003 |
Stan, what an interesting story. Thank you so much for sharing it--and what an awesome miracle that your dad also had the integrity to admit he was wrong and allow Jesus to give him a new heart! Isn't it absolutely amazing to really KNOW Jesus and to be free from such a pervasive, clever deception?! Praise Him! Colleen | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 5 Registered: 3-2005 |
Oh, I didnt mean to leave out Justin in my post above. Welcome to you, and I just read your post on P 18 of Temple Curtain-- Good job! Stan | ||
| Bmorgan Registered user Username: Bmorgan Post Number: 23 Registered: 7-2000 |
Stan, Welcome again to the forum. You give me hope. The experience with your father is remarkable. I get easily frustrated with Adventist nonsense that I leave them to themselves if I see us making no headway. However, I will not be quiet about the joy my Lord and Savior has put in my heart, even if they are offended when I tell about it. I will also speak the truth and tell my experience-how empty the whole thing is regardless of the effort put forth. The most amazing and rewarding thing about being a former, having been plucked out, is the valuable lessons in life I now have including: 1)studying the Word of God. 2)be discerning and scrutnize things and people. 3)trusting my instinct and be intimidated by people who exert power and fear. 4)enjoy people from the heart. bmorgan(nene) | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 1125 Registered: 3-2004  |
WOW!! I am so glad to see Stan E. and JJustin here. Stan, I really liked what you said about abortion. Justin, your posts are always so well thought out. Welcome to the both of you to FAF. Stan, that is a wonderful story about your father. I am so happy for the both of you. Bmorgan, I recognize you now. I pray when I go to the O'Ffill website and ask God if he wants me to post anything. He will let me know what he wants me to post. So I am going to register over there. I am amazed at how God works in my life. Before, when I was a died in the wool SDA I could not share anything without mentioning the sabbath. Now I can share how much God loves me and I do not have to do anything except love God and my neighbor. I really do not deserve His love, but then I am not God and I do not make that decision. I never thought I would post anything on an SDA web site. But as I have said before Jesus has done so much for me, what are a few arrows I take for him. Welcome again Stan and Justin. God is awesome. Diana | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 173 Registered: 7-2004 |
Sweet FlyingLady Diana, Isn't it you who organized us into a prayer team every weekend, and keeps us revved up doing that praying with your reminders. You are so faithful. I'm sure that is why God has chosen to use you in the SDA field of action. You've done well, and I'm glad to hear you decided to sign up so you go back in when needed there. I finally stopped lurking again today. Now if I can just keep from calling someone a smart alek, I'll be okay. Stan, I believe it was you who mentioned that some of the posters over there seem to be purposely bone-headed. I remember in SDA grade school that my teacher put us through mock-trials and told us how we should "witness" for our faith, so when I see some of the posts, they are verbatim what we were coached to say. It makes their responses so predictable. They speak in circles, but we've all had the opportunities in our own lives to speak in those same circles. That is what frustrates them, because in order to get where we are today, we have already had to refute all of that bunk. Our strongest weapon is prayer, and we do that quite well every weekend. God loves all of the Colporteurs, and the Wicklunds and the NAPAIs, and everyone else who is caught in that web. We have to keep holding them up in prayer. Belva | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 174 Registered: 7-2004 |
I forgot to add this thought, and I know I've alluded to it before. We started out praying for SDA's in general, both practicing, and unchurched formers, and I think we were led to Pastor O'Ffills website in response to the prayers we have been lifting to God. He's not going to leave willing warriors on their knees if he can use them in other places as well. And look at all of the wonderful people that action has added to our acquaintance...God is so good. Belva |
