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| Greg Registered user Username: Greg Post Number: 10 Registered: 2-2005 |
Susan, Your post over there came through loud and clear for me. The way it was twisted was a disgrace. Thank the Lord that He answers our prayer, even if we don't like the answer! Greg | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 150 Registered: 7-2004 |
Greg, Thank you for your kind words spoken over on the Bucky site (one of them, I'm not sure which one now). I really have to let it go now. The one called Not a Pharasee Am I must have been accused of being like a Pharasee a few times in his life. He is so certain of EGW and of his understanding of scripture via Adventism that he cannot see the forest for the trees. I try to distill things down, and he can still distort what I've said. Pastor O'Ffill, on the other hand, has found a way to try to bridge the gap by saying that he believes that as long as Christians are living up to what is required of them, "as far as they understand those requirements" they will be saved. That comment from him felt like a great deal of movement to me. We are all in His care. I really need to tear myself away from that stuff because I'm not taking care of myself properly now. I've always had a burden on my heart for SDA's because having been one I understand how deep the dillusions go. You feel that way too. I can sense it in the gentleness you employ in your posts. Then someone will come back and pound you and I get totally insensed (sp?). I hope I didn't come off like that when I was brainwashed by that viewpoint! Keep up the good fight. I'm going to try to stay away. May have to remove the computer from my house to be able to do that, however. Belva | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1585 Registered: 11-2002 |
Greg, Did you read the pastors reply to me? It was something about the homosexual man praying for a partner and viola! he found himself a partner. The minister was trying to tell me that if all the prayers at the prayer and praise group I attend are answered then the devil is answering those prayers. NO, this is not the case. The folks at the prayer and praise group do not prayer for God to be their partners in sin. I am not going to post on there anymore but if I were to this is what I would say, "We do not ask God to lead us to a house we can rob. And, then when we find a home we can rob without getting caught we make a quick trip into it, steel all the valuables and then give God the credit. No! A thousand times No! We don't ask God to be our partners in doing sin." But, that is how Pastor O'Fills comments back to me came across, like at the group we must be asking God for the wrong stuff. No, every prayer is asked "That your will be done" then we leave with peace in our hearts. Greg, did you cah his reply to me!? | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 151 Registered: 7-2004 |
Susan, I saw it. It was totally off the wall and had nothing to do with what you had said. I was clear that you referring to the fact that as a group, the people you were praying with were confident that Jesus hears your prayers and cares about the things you care abot. You are a bright woman, and you know that some answers come back as "wait" or "that may not be good for you" or "no." In all cases, God answers. I've noticed that God has been willing to answer even trivial prayers for me, and my faith keeps growing as I notice that he notices even me. Keep praying. As has been revealed on another thread here, sometimes the people we are contending with are more interested in defending a doctrine than they are interested in knowing the living Jesus. Belva | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1586 Registered: 11-2002 |
Belva, I read the last pages on the Bucky site just now. Over on page 59 or 60 someone sent you a message that you need to go to a Doug Batchlor seminar so you can learn the truth about everything. I just thought I'd pass the message along. LOL! Those SDA's over there sure are stuck on a few texts. They seem to only know a few texts and then base their entire religion on just a few texts, or partial texts and then they do the same with EGW. Again on page 61 (?) someone is fixated on Jesus forgiving us from our sins and not in our sins. I just sit here reading that and I am so thankful I am saved in my sins because I know no matter how good I try to be perfection is only in Jesus. And, while I'm at it, no SDA over there has commented on James 4:17. | ||
| Greg Registered user Username: Greg Post Number: 12 Registered: 2-2005 |
Susan, Yeah, I caught the good pastor's response. It was totally inappropriate. If you can't know that God is faithful to guard His response to your prayer, what can you know? To think that some Adventists (and pastors) live in a world where they can't even be sure of answers to prayer (or their salvation) boggles the mind. It's such a sad distortion of the gospel truth. We need to pray without ceasing that the gospel message finds its way into the hearts of those on that forum. Thanks for the kind words Belva. You get some rest now. We need to keep you strong to fight another day. I appreciated your posts and that you can sense the care with which I craft mine. In Christ, Greg | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 152 Registered: 7-2004 |
Your prayers for me are working. After my last two posts this morning, one on each of the sites, I've been able to simply lurk. I must share a post from over there that came in from a man who is married to an SDA, but does not seem to want much more than that to do with the denomination. It follows: ---------- NAPAI wrote: 3.) There again though, I am a Seventh-day Adventist. I don't think it is right that people in the church disbelieve her work and remain in this denomination. That is one thing I can somewhat respect about formers. That is how closely intertwined her work is with this faith. To try and discredit her and surgically remove her from our beliefs would be mutinous (is that a word?) by a member. Spiritual mutiny Gene! I hope that is not too strong of language for us. NAPAI, I think your point is well taken. If a member of your church does not wholly and without reservation except your prophet, they really should leave. Anything else is intellectual dishonesty. If someone says they believe the Adventist distinctive doctrines without accepting the legitimacy and authority of EGW, they haven't done much study. I have to respect those Adventists that defend the unique doctrines of their church as well as the role of EGW in the church. Conversely, I must question the integrity of those members who say they are in agreement with those same distinctive doctrines but question the validity of the role of EGW. Let's face it, without EGW, those distinctive doctrines don't stand up all that well. Back to lurking... ---------- Now, let me set this up, the first paragraph was a quote from an SDA poster whose screen name is "Not A Pharasee I Am. After reading a few of his posts you will understand why he chose his name. He obviously lives in denial 24/7. The following were the responses from the fellow I mentioned. His name is Gene. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 155 Registered: 7-2004 |
Pastor O'Ffill at the RevivalSermons site has stepped in to quiet things on the thread he started of by worrying about his Grandson, Bucky. That thread is now the largest of any of his discussions and ballooned up to 65 pages. He just closed it out with this remark: ---------- Dear Friends of this topic, This topic has drawn huge participation and given an opportunity for the expression of conviction. While we respect differences of opinion, I am not comfortable that this topic seems to have become for some a platform for attacks on the person and ministry of Mrs. White who I respect and accept as a messenger of God. We must respectfully agree to disagree. Thanks to all for your imput. Please don't be angry with me but this topic is now closed. ---------- The thing that triggered this move was a listing of the texts enumerating how to tell if a prophet is to believed or not. Thank you, Greg, for your work pulling all of those texts together. It is obvious from Pastor O'Ffill's remarks that things were just hitting too close to home, and were going to be too hard to ignore. Belva | ||
| Bmorgan Registered user Username: Bmorgan Post Number: 18 Registered: 7-2000 |
Belva he closed another thread entitled:"Do You Have to be Born Again to be an Adventist in Good and Regular Standing" It is interesting, SDAs have no problem dissing the Roman Catholic Church or Evangelicals, but flinch and scream when the TRUTH about their prophet and false teachings are exposed. Nene, Bmorgan | ||
| Greg Registered user Username: Greg Post Number: 13 Registered: 2-2005 |
Belva and Nene, I believe what precipitated the closure of the thread was a link I posted to www.ellenwhite.org After I posted the texts outlining the Biblical tests of a prophet earlier in the thread, Jjustinn asked where he might find more information. I reluctantly posted the link knowing that it would probably get me banned from the forum. I wasn't banned, but my post pointing to Dirk Anderson's site was removed. I posted the information in the most loving way I could, even concluding my message with (I'm paraphrasing) "I pray we all find truth by studying the Word of God and by asking the Holy Spirit to lead us". As Paul Harvey says, "that's the rest of the story". I harbor no ill will toward Pastor O'Ffill. He did what he had to do. I pray that the posts on the forum will lead some to deeper study and a closer walk with God. Greg | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 144 Registered: 5-2004  |
OOh, I see you all were ahead of me and that's a blessing cause when I just went over there and followed through the two pages that had happened since I was last there...I was so irritated! He allowed the "discussion" to go on as long as it was the Bible verses being discussed and questioned and bantered about...but let the discussion come down to their blessed prophet... and I was just ready to post a list of direct contradictions to the Bible. Anyway, but that's why I tried to stay unengaged with that discussion cause I get to worked up over it. Bless you all who were carrying the cause over there, and representing Christ so well! | ||
| Bmorgan Registered user Username: Bmorgan Post Number: 19 Registered: 7-2000 |
Greg, I appreciate the posts you made daily. God IS Sovereign and directs all things for His glory. I wish I had former Adventists like you around to explain the GOSPEL to me years ago when I was struggling with the cognitive dissonance. I respect people like Colpoteur, Wicklund, Pharisee,and walk-in-light, onigiri, among others. They are true Adventists. Their illogical thought patterns and rank legalism, show more intellectual honesty than the staddlers who try to "put old wine in new wineskins"-attempting to make the doctrines palatable and "gospel savvy". Whatever! May the grace of God be with them. Bmorgan | ||
| Greg Registered user Username: Greg Post Number: 15 Registered: 2-2005 |
Belva, I'm praying for you. Look to Christ and leave that forum behind. Our points have been articulated clearly. Those who want to argue for argument's sake are showing their true colors. Greg | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 156 Registered: 7-2004 |
Greg, I'm afraid I lost it and called NAPAI an ass. Well, not really, I called him an A**. I'm sure one way or the other I'm finished over there. I wouldn't be surprised if my last post gets purged. So be it. It felt good. I appreciated the way you put him in his place, too. He's looking to make us look bad. Okay, I probably helped him out by losing my cool, but I refuse to take back one single word! Belva | ||
| Greg Registered user Username: Greg Post Number: 16 Registered: 2-2005 |
Belva, I hear you. I don't think there is anything you could say to change his mind. I also don't think that you have said anything to strengthen his position, because his attacking use of semantics has undermined any remaining credibility he once had. We need a diversion from that forum. Do you know any good jokes?  Greg | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 157 Registered: 7-2004 |
As a matter of fact I do. My email is belvalew@pacbell.net. Send me yours and I'll ship you more jokes than you'll know what to do with. I think I can even dig up a couple of Jib-Jab jokes. We've definitely exhausted religion, now it's time for politics! | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1592 Registered: 11-2002 |
I just went to page 62 on the Bucky site and read the last post by Pastor O'Fill. All I can conclude is that as long as there are folks who disagree with the Bible then he's cool with that and will let the discussion continue. However, when it gets to disagreeing with EGW then the discussion is cancelled. That really strikes me as odd because the Bible from the first word in Genesis to the final word in Rev. is in agreement with itself whereas EGW doesn't even agree with herself in numerous statements. And, several of my questions on there were totally ignored and the comment I made about the prayer group I meet with having a 100% response to their prayers was met with a corny reply. The two things I commented/questioned on there that were never responded to were, 1, If the weekly Sabbath is the sign of the true believers then does this include all the Christians who observe the weekly Sabbath who are not SDA? Such as SDB's and the others as there are over 300 Sabbath observing denominations in North America. No response. And, 2, the difination of sin accordoing to James 4:17. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 158 Registered: 7-2004 |
They are determined to remain "pillars" of the church -- thoroughly mixed up and permanently set. Who am I to interfere with their daydreams. I'm usually determined to make sure the people I speak to fully understand what I'm driving at. In this case I've accepted the fact that their preconceived notions have made them so blind that they wouldn't be able to see the truth, even if it were written on stone by the very finger of God. I praise God that he has made the gospel simple enough that a child can understand it, but so complex that it can confound the self-righteous. May the Lord watch between me and thee while we are absent one from the other. Belva | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1593 Registered: 11-2002 |
Belva, If you were to post your statement just above this one those SDA's would latch onto your words, "even if it was written on stone by the finger of God Himself" and then they would be getting into their rules. But, I want to tell you, I honestly believe there are many people who 100% need exact rules to abide by. They would without the list of have-to's and cannot's, they would not be able to have paramaters of proper behaior. Many people need to be made to have self-control (I LOVE JOHNNY CASH. He's on now.). Without being told, "You will go to prison" or, "You will land in jail" or in the case of some (not all) SDA's, "You will be annialiated in the lake of fire" (I love saying that. It always cracks me up. To anyone except SDA's I'd say, 'hell') they would not have the self-control to behave. Of course, then we get into trusting in the power of prayer and being fully guided by the Holy Spirit but that is another topic. Some people have to have external, laid out rules so they have a visual guidline to abide by. I have noticed the homes of many SDA's I know have big posters of the ten commandments hanging in their homes. Maybe they just need to see the rules constantly so they stay on the right side of the law. Then not wanting to admit it they focus on the 4th when conversing to anyone who isn't SDA. Just a thought. Maybe some people just need to be told the specifics of right and wrong. Maybe saying don't lust or don't covet is too abstract. I still think the comment on the Bucky site about the SDA's not having any responsibility because abortions are preformed in SDA hospitals is just a sleezy copout. If the individual SDA's put pressure on Adventist Health with a boycott of their financial contrabutions then AH would perk up and notice. Usually most things come back to the money. I'm sure you all are well acquainted with the saying, "Follow the money". It's true. Since with AH they don't think of abortion as a moral or spiritual issue then it has to be a money issue. This is contrary to Catholic Health where abortion is a spiritual and moral issue. I remember when I was a teenager being asked what were the main doctrines and teachings of the SDA religion. I told the person there were a lot of rules about what you had to do and what you couldn't do on Saturdays and we couldn't eat pork or anything with lard and the church was anti-Catholic. I remember telling the person those were the three main things to being a SDA. Somehow I think I had a pretty good insight into SDA'ism as a teenager. Somee on the Bucky site asked what the Adventist message is. I would still answer those same three things. | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 91 Registered: 7-2000  |
If people need rules and regulations to make them obey, I seriously question if they are converted. |
