| Author | Message | ||
| Max |
EGW: MEAT DETERIORATES MORALS "The common use of the flesh of dead animals has had a deteriorating influence upon the morals...." --Ellen G. White, The Paulson Collection of Ellen G. White Letters, page 22, paragraph 2. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW CONFESSON: SHE EATS MEAT! "....I was at times at or in places where I was compelled to eat a little meat. But for many years not a morsel of the flesh of dead animals has passed my lips." --Ellen G. White, The Paulson Collection of Ellen G. White Letters, page 1, paragraph 8. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW: GOD'S PEOPLE EXCLUDE MILK The ... milk of cows will also be excluded from the diet of God's commandment keeping people." --Ellen G. White, The Kress Collection, page 32, paragraph 4. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW: "If any physician prescribes meat for you, say No." --Ellen G. White, The Kress Collection, page 21, paragraph 2. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW: "Flesh-meat animalizes the nature." -- Ellen G. White, Sermons and Talks Volume Two, page 196, paragraph 2. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW: Flesh eating "creates nine-tenths of [the] disease in our world." Manuscript Releases Volume Twenty, page 374, paragraph 2. Chapter Title: Conditions at St. Helena Health Retreat. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW: FLESHLY LUST = MEAT APPETITE "If our appetites clamor for the flesh of dead animals, it is a necessity to fast and pray for the Lord to give His grace to deny fleshly lusts which war against the soul." --Ellen G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume Twenty, page 105, paragraph 3. Chapter Title: Seek God's Will; Distrust Self; Adopt Health Principles. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Maryann |
Hi Max, You quoted EWG: "To think of dead flesh rotting in the stomach is revolting." So that is where mom got her big guns about "rotting flesh!" I was out of SDAism 3 years before I could let a peice of "rotting flesh" pass between my lips! That concept was deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeply ingrained in me! The phrase, "dead animal" was really pounded in my head too! There are still many who are released from the bondage of SDAism, yet can't eat meat because of the "rotting flesh" syndrome! Next veggie person I see, I'll tell them they (he) suffers from RF syndrome! He he he he!;-) Maryann | ||
| Max |
Maryann, Ever consider the possibility that maybe Mom was denying something that was within herself and projecting ("sticking") it onto you? That's a very common human failing, you know. Max | ||
| Max |
EGW: PLANTS NOT DEAD WHEN EATEN, BUT ANIMALS ARE "That which is dead should ever be regarded as unfit for food. We shun the dead bodies of animals, because they are repulsive to us, while at the same time we prepare their flesh for our tables. There is no good reason for our doing this. We should learn that fruits, grains, and vegetables can be so skillfully and tastefully prepared that they will be chosen before any preparation of meat." --Ellen G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume Seventeen, page 43, paragraph 1. Chapter Title: Week of Prayer in San Francisco; Visit to an SDA Vegetarian Restaurant. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW EATS LIVE FISH, NOT DEAD "Two years ago I came to the conclusion that there was danger in using the flesh of dead animals, and since then I have not used meat at all. It is never placed on my table. I use fish when I can get it." --Ellen G.White, Manuscript Releases Volume Fourteen, page 330, paragraph 2. Chapter Title: The Responsibilities of Helpers in Ellen White's Australian Home. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Maryann |
Hi Max again:-) Yeh, the projecting job was well done on me! Come to think of it, that is what gives so many cults their power. If they can't project or stick onto the unsuspecting, where would they get their followings? Then, I guess, fear is the biggest thing being "stuck" to the unsuspecting making it nearly impossible for them to be "suspecting." Fear keeps one from doing many things. Just look at how fear kept me from seeing Jim before he died! Hmmmm, I guess I had a good "project" stuck onto me! Maryann | ||
| Max |
Maryann, The cultic mentality does seem to be driven by unconscious fear. In the case of our SDA friends, not fear that Jesus won't come, but fear that he WILL come and find them unready. I mean, what good is all that avoidance of beefsteak and red wine and shunning of swimming on Sabbath if you're still not ready when he gets here and zaps you anyway with the laser "brightness of his coming"? Better far that he stays away. But then there's all that angst about what happens after you die. Where's my ticket to heaven? The flood is coming and SDA not in ark of safety! The summer is past and the harvest is in the barn and SDA not saved! Run to the rock! SDA: "Rock, won't you hide me?" Rock: "Afraid not, O SDA sinnerman! You have to stand before the All-Consuming-Fire, aka God, WITHOUT a Mediator! Sorry about that." And the mind that is not "bewitched" (Galatians 3:1) can only inquire, Where's the good news in so hideous a nightmare? Max of the Cross | ||
| Max |
EGW: MEAT CAUSES "SELF-POLLUTION," OTHER "REVOLTING SINS" IN YOUTH ".... passion will drive the youth into corrupting and revolting sins, into self-pollution, which ruins the mind, destroying the memory, and enfeebling every other faculty...." If parents "place upon their tables the flesh of dead animals, if they encourage their little ones to eat this food, they sow seeds which will bring forth a harvest of corruption." --Ellen G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume Fourteen, pages 298-299. Chapter Title: The Lack of Unity a Cause of Failure. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
ELLEN FORCED TO EAT MEAT! "I at once cut meat out of my bill of fare. After that I was at times placed where I was compelled to eat a little meat." --Ellen G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume Eight, page 37, paragraph 2. Chapter Title: Ellen White's Practice Regarding Meat Eating. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW: "Meat is served reeking with fat, because it suits the perverted taste." --Ellen G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume Seven, page 423, paragraph 2. Chapter Title: The Effects of Meat Eating on Man. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW: MEAT INJURES SPIRITUALITY "Eating the flesh of dead animals has an injurious effect upon spirituality." --Ellen G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume Four, page 384, paragraph 2. Chapter Title: Nutrition. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW FORBIDS TEA, COFFEE, TOBACCO AND ALCOHOL, BUT NOT MEAT, EGGS, BUTTER AND CHEESE "Tea, coffee, tobacco, and alcohol we must present as sinful indulgences. We cannot place on the same ground, meat, eggs, butter, cheese and such articles placed upon the table." --Ellen G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume Two, page 107, paragraph 2. Chapter Title: Health Reform To Be Introduced Carefully. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW: MEAT "PUTREFYING" IN STOMACH CAUSES DEATH "The flesh of dead animals, fermenting and putrefying in the stomach, to be sent through every part of the system, is not pleasant to reflect upon, or to experience. It causes many wretched feelings, and is the greatest cause of fevers, suffering of every type, and of death." Testimony to the Church at Battle Creek, page 42, paragraph 1. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan | ||
| Max |
EGW: "Dead flesh rotting in the stomach is revolting." --Ellen G. White, Extracts from Unpublished Testimonies in Regard to Flesh Foods, page 2, paragraph 2. Courtesy of the Ellen G. White Estate, White Memorial Library, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, Michigan |
