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Denisegilmore
| Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 6:33 pm: |    |
Valerie, type in your search www.ellenwhite.com and you can read many of her books with a host of topics. Happy reading..:)) God Bless, Denise |
Max
| Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:09 pm: |    |
"Condiments are injurious in their nature. Mustard, PEPPER, spices, pickles, and other things of a like character, irritate the stomach and make the blood feverish and impure. The inflamed condition of the drunkard's stomach is often pictured as illustrating the effect of alcoholic liquors. A similarly inflamed condition is produced by the use of irritating condiments." --EGW, Counsels on Diet and Foods, p.339. |
Max
| Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:15 pm: |    |
"On my frequent journeys across the continent, I do not patronize restaurants, dining car, or hotels, for the simple reason that I cannot eat the food there provided. The dishes are highly seasoned with salt and PEPPER, creating an almost intolerable thirst. . . . They would irritate and inflame the delicate coating of the stomach." --EGW, CDF 339 |
Max
| Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:20 pm: |    |
"Mustard, PEPPER, spices, pickles, and other things of a like character, irritate the stomach and make the blood feverish and impure." --EGW, "By Faith I Live," p. 231 |
Max
| Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:22 pm: |    |
"Mustard, PEPPER, spices, pickles, and other things of a like character, irritate the stomach and make the blood feverish and impure. The inflamedcondition of the drunkard's stomach is often pictured as illustrating the effect of alcoholic liquors. A similarly inflamed condition is produced by the use of irritating condiments." --EGW, "Ministry of Healing," p. 325 |
Max
| Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:27 pm: |    |
"While we were in the depot, a red-faced, bloated farmer came into the restaurant connected with it, and in a loud, rough voice asked, "Have you first-class brandy?" He was answered in the affirmative, and ordered half a tumbler. "Have you pepper sauce?" "Yes," was the answer. "Well, put in two large spoonfuls." He next ordered two spoonfuls of alcohol added, and concluded by calling for "a good dose of BLACK PEPPER." The man who was preparing it asked, "What will you do with such a mixture?" He replied, "I guess that will take hold," and placing the full glass to his lips, drank the whole of this fiery compound. Said my husband, "That man has used stimulants until he has destroyed the tender coats of the stomach. I should suppose that they must be as insensible as a burnt boot." --EGW, "Temperance," p. 95 |
Max
| Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:35 pm: |    |
"On my frequent journeys across the continent, I do not patronize restaurants, dining-cars, or hotels, for the simple reason that I cannot eat the food there provided. The dishes are highly seasoned with salt and PEPPER, creating an almost intolerable thirst. . . . They irritate and inflame the delicate coating of the stomach. . . . Such is the food that is commonly served upon fashionable tables, and given to the children. Its effect is to cause NERVOUSNESS, and to create THIRST WHICH WATER DOES NOT QUENCH . . . . Food should be prepared in as simple a manner as possible, free from condiments and spices, and even from an undue amount of salt. -- R. and H., 1883, No. 44." --EGW, "Healthful Living," p. 92 |
Max
| Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:39 pm: |    |
"The less exciting the food, the better. Condiments are injurious in their nature. Mustard, PEPPER, spices, pickles, and other things of a like character irritate the stomach and make the blood feverish and impure." --EGW, "Testimony Studies on Diet and Foods," page 128. |
Max
| Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:43 pm: |    |
"While upon the cars, I heard parents remark that the appetites of their children were delicate, and unless they had meat and cake, they could not eat. When the noon meal was taken, I observed the quality of food given to these children. It was fine wheaten bread, sliced ham coated with BLACK PEPPER, spiced pickles, cake, and preserves. The pale, sallow complexion of these children plainly indicated the abuses the stomach was suffering. Two of these children observed another family of children eating cheese with their food, and they lost their appetite for what was before them, until their indulgent mother begged a piece of the cheese to give to her children, fearing the dear children would fail to make out their meal. The mother remarked, My children love this or that, so much, and I let them have what they want; for the appetite craves the kinds of food the system requires." --EGW, "The Health Reformer," December 1, 1870, paragraph 7. |
Max
| Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:49 pm: |    |
"Children should be educated to habits of temperance, even while in their mother's arms. Our tables should bear only the most wholesome food, free from every IRRITATING SUBSTANCE. The appetite for liquor is encouraged by the preparation of food with CONDIMENTS and SPICES. These cause a feverish state of the system, and drink is demanded to allay the irritation. On my frequent journeys across the continent, I do not patronize restaurants, dining-cars, or hotels, for the simple reason that I cannot eat the food there provided. The dishes are highly seasoned with salt and PEPPER, creating an almost intolerable THIRST. During my last trip, the conductor of the sleeping-car kindly brought me a plate of rich vegetable soup. I tasted the apparently inviting dish, but found it so highly SEASONED that I dared not eat it. The salt and PEPPER made my mouth smart, and I well knew that they would IRRITATE and INFLAME the delicate coating of the STOMACH. I passed the tempting dish to another; for I dared not place such an ABUSE upon my DIGESTIVE ORGANS." --EGW, "Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald," November 6, 1883, paragraph 27 |
Max
| Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 10:55 pm: |    |
"If we are the servants of Christ, we must fight against the EVILS of this degenerate age. While lawlessness of all kinds is sweeping over our world like a flood, we must take a decided stand on the REQUIREMENTS of the Bible, or we shall be swept away into MORAL and physical RUIN. We must have moral strength to place ourselves, with firm determination, in opposition to the iniquity that abounds, or we shall be overcome. It is our privilege to understand the laws of this wonderful structure, the human habitation, that God has given us. Mind and body should be preserved in the best possible state of health that we may take up our work in the world. I know that much can be done toward building up a good condition of health. I have had five shocks of paralysis, and God, in his mercy, has raised me up, to take my place in the work he has given me to do, and to try to benefit others by my experience. Light was given me, and I saw the reason for my feeble health. I was astonished that I had so long remained in ignorance in regard to the laws of life. My habits were out of harmony with the conditions that are necessary to health. My food had not been of a proper kind to give vitality and strength to the system. It was highly SEASONED, and STIMULATING rather than nutritious. The physicians said that I might die at any time, and I resolved that if I died, I would die in attempting to correct my injurious habits of life. I resolved to place myself on a platform of strictest temperance. I did not use TEA or COFFEE or any kind of intoxicating wine or liquor, so I did not have these habits to overcome; but I had used flesh and SPICES, eating hearty meals three times a day. I had to educate myself to enjoy the simple, healthful grains and fruits that God has provided for the wants of man. But I found that all the sacrifice I had to make was doubly repaid in renewed health of body and mind. I had used PEPPER and MUSTARD in my diet; but these SHOULD NOT BE PUT INTO THE HUMAN STOMACH." --EGW, The Signs of the Times, February 17, 1888, paragraph 5 |
Max
| Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 11:03 pm: |    |
"Paul is a boy who has good qualities as well as objectionable traits of character. His EVIL traits have been cultivated and indulged rather than restrained. You have not taught him the sinfulness of a sullen, stubborn disposition, and firmly restrained this growing EVIL, and even in the expression of his countenance your indulgence is leaving its mould. The impressions made in youth are most abiding, and early life is the best time to cultivate correct habits. Paul has been encouraged to be exacting and particular in his diet at the table, but you should set the food before him, and never allow him to turn from it in disdain, calling for something that you have not provided. He may cherish his exacting habits in regard to his diet, until he shall be disagreeable to himself and all connected with him. If he were obliged to labor according to his strength, hunger would give him a relish for his food and remove his murmuring. Decided measures should be taken in this matter. I love this son of yours; he can be moulded in the right way, for if properly trained he will respond after a time. You should never allow your children to find fault with their food, to murmur because SPICE, PEPPER, PICKLES, and CONDIMENTS are not placed before them. ... The mark for good or EVIL made upon the characters of your children is not written in the sand, but is traced as on enduring rock. --EGW, Testimonies on the Case of Elder E. P. Daniels, page 18, paragraph 1 |
Max
| Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 11:06 pm: |    |
"I have not had, to my knowledge, a particle of PEPPER in the house for ten years." --EGW, Manuscript Releases Volume Fifteen, page 246, paragraph 3 |
Max
| Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 11:13 pm: |    |
^^If in the spring of the year we felt languor (really the result of consuming so much fat and flesh meats during the winter), we resorted to sharp PICKLES, HORSERADISH, MUSTARD, PEPPER, and the like, to "sharpen the appetite" and tone up the system. We naturally expected a "poor spell" in the spring before we could get newly grown vegetables.-- Medical Missionary , December, 1899 (see also SHM, p. 24).^^ --Ellen G. White, "Further Steps Toward Health Reform," The Progressive Years 1862-1876, Volume 2, page 298, paragraph 4 |
Max
| Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2000 - 11:17 pm: |    |
"It is to be noticed that BUTTER, grease of all kinds, TEA, COFFEE, SPICE, PEPPER, GINGER, and NUTMEG were wholly DISCARDED in the cookery and were not in use on the tables. --Ellen G. White, "Restructuring for a Sound Future," Volume 2 of The Progressive Years 1862-1876, page 327, paragraph 8 |
Valm
| Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 6:47 am: |    |
Thats alot of quotes on condiments. Of interest in your quotes is that in one of the quotes she ate these things to sharpen up the appetite and tone up the system? And in the others she condemned their usage. That is a suprise to me. I think the pepper she is refering to is peppercorns which come from the pepper tree and is entirely different from chilis. Loneviking were you refering to chilis or peppercorns? The many passages you shared with me Max brought back memories of how exhausting it can be to find something to eat when out. WORK WORK WORK.......... |
Max
| Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 9:01 am: |    |
Hi Valerie, Hope you're having an easier time when eating out these days. I don't know about Loneviking, but Ellen White evidently didn't distinguish between black pepper and chili pepper. For whether or not a certain food item should be eaten, her sole criterion seems to be pungency or spiciness. Her overriding question was, Is the item stimulating to the system? Does it irritate the "delicate lining" of the digestive tract? Does it raise a "thirst that cannot be quinched with water"? If the item -- such as the "dried blackberries" her husband, James, loved -- wasn't pungent, but was rather "bland" or "mild," then it might possibly be "wholesome." But if it was pungent, then she would rail about it being unhealthful as well as morally wrong, sinful and evil. I don't believe she ever used the term "chili" in any of her published writings. But I do believe she would -- like the general public of her day -- not distinguish between "chilis" and "peppercorns" even though they are made from the fruits of plants from entirely different genera and species. Notice, too, that she condemned and forbade all "spice" -- horseradish, mustard, ginger and nutmeg and pickles. Even tea and coffee she classified as stimulants. The only thing that all the angel-condemned condiments have in common is that they "stimulate" the system, and THAT is what's evil and bad according to her angel. "If we are the servants of Christ, we must fight against the EVILS of this degenerate age. While lawlessness of all kinds is sweeping over our world like a flood, we must take a decided stand on the REQUIREMENTS of the Bible, or we shall be swept away into MORAL and physical RUIN. We must have moral strength to place ourselves, with firm determination, in opposition to the iniquity that abounds, or we shall be overcome." --EGW, The Signs of the Times, February 17, 1888, paragraph 5. Incidentally, Ellen angel's ideas about the lining of the stomach being "delicate" are unscientific. Stomach acid is about as strong as battery acid, and the stomach is lined with a mucous membrane that protects the protein walls of the cells that line it. Have you ever read Ronald Number's ELLEN WHITE: A PROPHETESS OF HEALTH? It's a great read. Wishing you a great Thanksgiving dinner with all your "folks," Max |
Maryann
| Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 9:19 am: |    |
I had an extreme SDA friend that had an interesting method of testing food! He said that if it didn't burn the eye, it was suitable for the stomach as the stomach was a delicate organ. He said that pepper really burned the eye, therefore it was harmful! I have always wondered why most good SDA's had cayenne pepper in the house? I was raised with thew notion that all pepper, whether pepper corns or peppers,were sinful with the exception of the medicinally good cayenne. Hmmmmmm, hunt and choose? Maryann |
Lydell
| Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 10:51 am: |    |
Shortly after we joined the SDA's, I was invited to a ladies' "Bible study". I was excited because I deeply missed the Bible study I had been attending at our Baptist church. Well, surprise! The "Bible" they were studying that night was "Counsels on Diet". And the "spiritual truths" I came away with were that meat, pepper, cinnamon, mayo, mustard, shortening, butter, white flour, white sugar, milk with sugar, and geez I forget what all, were evil. In hindsight I have to wonder why I didn't head straight for home and get in my hubby's face and tell him NEVER AGAIN would I go back there. You know, for me that "study" ranked right up there with going to "sabbath school" for the first time and being invited to go into the "Cradle Roll" class. Well, thank you so very much! My baby was less than two months old. (When you consider that he was born two months premature, you have to figure that he shouldn't have any age on him at all! ha) He slept constantly. But I was assured most warmly that it would be so wonderful for him to "get used to being in a class, and he would learn so much!". The heck with the parent who is closed up 24 hours a day with a premature infant and a 4 year old. Spiritual food? Why would an adult need that? SDAland was a very strange place. Thank the Lord for freedom! |
Denisegilmore
| Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 2:58 pm: |    |
Well let's not forget 'vinegar'. That too, was off limits. Hot peppers such as jalpeno (sp) and pickles are supposedly bad. Crazy.. God Bless all, Denise P.S. Happy Thanksgiving and enjoy all foods. |
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