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| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7740 Registered: 9-2006  |
In the previous article I started off with: The Adventist State Of The Dead doctrine really has to do with the state of the live more than it has to do with the state of the dead because it involves whether the spirit equals just our breathe or whether we have a spirit inside us that can never die. Also in the previous article I talked a little bit about spirituality, in this article I want to talk about spiritism. One Pentecostal says to another Pentecostal, “Brother, do you believe there is a demon behind every bush?” And the second Pentecostal says, “No I don’t, I believe there is a dozen behind every bush.” When I was discussing the witch of Endor with an Adventist, he says, “No way it could be Samuel, The question arose as to whether it could be Samuel or a demon. He maintained that it had to be a demon because, “The dead know nothing.” So I thought I would have a little fun with him and I pointed out Matthew 17:3 and I ask him who this was that the Bible plainly says is Moses? He clamed up and wouldn’t say another word and that ended our conversation. Ok, but there is bad spirits and spiritism, the witch was a spiritist until at least up until the time she had the living daylights scared out of her, the bible doesn’t say, but she might have sought a new line of work after that incident. We find other instances in the bible like the demons and the hogs, the man in the tombs est. The demons were very much present in Jesus day on earth as well as in Pauls day, and they were busy affecting those around them. In one instance Jesus says, this kind comes not out accept by prayer and fasting. Having been connected with a deliverance ministry at one time, I can tell you these things are stubborn about vacating the premises. I want to approach a question, did Ellen White have Godly Spirituality or spiritism or just a knock on the noggin? I have observed that people on meth in far too many cases for it to be accidental will pick up a bible and they will quote scripture, although the scripture they quote is gibberish. Demons seem to have an affinity for religion, perhaps because they once served God. I just do not have an explanation for the phenomenon. Could Ellen White have opened the door to demons? Of course she could, it happens all the time. People open doors to their soul they cannot close outside of a God miracle, and when that person opens that door it is the door to bondage. We have talked about the spirit behind Adventism, or, the spirit of Adventism. We are trying to explain what we see and these are just words we come up with. So what are we dealing with here when we deal with Adventist, we see the veil over their eyes plainly. Are we dealing with a demon? Or a human? Well…we are dealing with both. Then how are we to deal with it? I’m not sure I have an answer for that, but I have an answer for how we are to deal with ourselves in these situations. Ephesians 6:12 deals expressly with this and then he tells us what to do, put on the whole Armour of God so that you can withstand these onslaughts. Ever feel like when you are around them you are unprepared for it? Does it leave you exhausted and worn out? Now be honest, not like the guy who cuts his leg off with a chain saw then hops on one leg telling everybody, “I’m alright, I’m alright!” “Gee whiz brother, ain’t that yer leg layin’ there? “I’m awright, I’m Awright!” I’ve learned over a period of years that if I’m not ok, then it ain’t no shame to ask prayer. I may be preaching up a storm today and tomorrow I might be down so low yall got to go rent a steam shovel to dig me out! The thing is friends, if you don’t realize what you are dealing with, your going to stay wore out as a last years dish rag. Sooo…what do you need to know? Ok, here it is, you have power over demon forces. Yeppers! But if you don’t realize who you are in Christ, the devil can still beat the bejebers out of you. You pray and you take dominion over that situation in Jesus name, and by faith in him, then you won’t come out smelling a last years birdnest. Hey! I’m guilty, I’ve been caught with my pants down so many times I get to wondering if I even got any! I’ve been there and got the T Shirt! If me and Paul were to meet, he’d probably say, “Boy, don’t you know what Armour is? Lookit you, all layin there like a dead pig in the sun shine, all beat up?” He’d turn to Peter and say, “This is one dumb dude!” The thing is, is we are not dealing with just flesh and blood and you can quote scripture to them till your face turns blue, they’ll just come back at you with a gobbledegook of proof texting and if you pin them down they run in a rabbit hole so fast you will wonder if it was Bugs Bunny there the whole time. Ok. I’m quitting! Don’t pelt me with them rotten turnips you got there!  River | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 1073 Registered: 5-2009 |
"I have observed that people on meth in far too many cases for it to be accidental will pick up a bible and they will quote scripture, although the scripture they quote is gibberish. Demons seem to have an affinity for religion, perhaps because they once served God. I just do not have an explanation for the phenomenon." This is such an interesting observation. Many Christians apparently see Adventism as just another Christian church that worships on Saturday (disheartening and frustrating to say the least)....and I guess this idea of demons having an affinity for "religion" gave me an "aha" moment....Christians hear SDAs, at Revelation Seminars, etc, using the words of the Bible...we all heard plenty of Bible texts as adventists...how interesting that Satan uses God's word, twisting it, of course, to take people AWAY from the truth of God's word! I'm probably not explaining this too well...I mean, it's what we have all discovered (we were taught "The Twisted Word")...but it goes so deep. I realized afresh this FAF weekend how Ellen reverses Satan and Christ. You're not kidding, River, that we are not fighting against flesh and blood...and you are 100% right....haven't we all turned blue showing our beloved SDA family and friends Scripture? I thank you for reminding us about the whole armor of God. I need to write the Ephesian passage down, memorize it, refer to it frequently because my natural inclination is to "fight" this with myself with reasoning and that doesn't work. I am SO glad that you give a fig about those trapped in adventism and have seen for yourself the veil come right down when you share Scripture. Phil Bubar is making a huge effort to understand the complexity of the SDA deception....he just shook his head when we were telling him the extent of our brainwashing about Christians hunting us down in the end times and the Sunday law thing. I know he already knows about it, but maybe having 20 people telling him personal details of how it affected us was an eye-opener. How many Christians even care? I have a (never-been) friend who was sharing just this week with two fellow Christians and they couldn't care less. I'm rambling, too. Just trying to unpack some more stuff. What were we in? It sure wasn't Christian, but cleverly masquerades as such. I am just so concerned about all the sincere SDAs I love....my parents are almost 90 and have been brainwashed from birth, generationally, and Sabbath is what is keeping them separate from Christianity and the gospel. With no assurance at the end of their lives. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7746 Registered: 9-2006 |
NowIsee, I don't think it is as simple as them not caring, but perhaps that its just not in their job description? River | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7747 Registered: 9-2006 |
Folks, I see a huge problem among former Adventist Christians in reaching out to Adventist and I hesitate to voice it, but its there and its glaring. I will tell you this, heck its nothing I haven't said before. If Adventists are going to be reached, it's going to be you that reaches them. I mean who else is qualified? Certainly not me or Phil Bubar. And guess what friend, your on the clock! River | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 13419 Registered: 12-2003  |
Nowisee, your post above is so true. "What were we in?" I'm more and more convinced that I know what we were in...and Satan is at the core. You can't have a system of religion that places Satan as the ultimate "sin bearer" who cleanses heaven by carrying our sins to hell and have that be a Christian organization. I know all the arguments: "Satan isn't our sin-bearer." "He's just being punished for what he did." And so on. But the truth is that Adventists believe they sin because of Satan. He's to blame that we are sinners. Adventists have no understanding that they are 100% responsible for being innately sinful. It is the natural condition of man, and Satan is not responsible. We can't "scapegoat" our own culpability onto satan! Satan never, in any sense bears the sins of the saved nor does he receive punishment for causing them. He is punished for his own unbelief and rebellion; he is not punished for our sin. Jesus was. Jesus is the one who was punished for our sin and bore it outside the camp. NEVER Satan! Colleen | ||
| Rossbondreturns Registered user Username: Rossbondreturns Post Number: 330 Registered: 10-2009  |
Amen Colleen. In fact I mention how abhorrent that very idea is in my latest article at Undercover Adventist. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7749 Registered: 9-2006 |
“If you don’t understand Adventism, your members are at risk,” A warning statement made to other pastors by Phil Bubar. Why should he make this statement? Are church members stupid? Are they without Bible knowledge? Are the sheep more uneducated than the Shepard? I don’t really know his reasons for making the statement he did, but I think it runs deeper than education, although education could in some cases be a factor. I think there is a spiritual pull to these dark forces that sit back and pull the strings of Adventism. I believe I myself have felt that force pulling on me as I studied Adventists and once a person gets so far the bondage of it takes over that life. Do I believe Adventist are in strong bondage? Yes, emphatically yes. This is why I think that every former should realize what he is going up against, a Paul puts it, spiritual wickedness in high places, principalities, powers, rulers of darkness. But it is not enough to just know. What is more important, what we say or what God says? There is a huge gaping hole in the Battle gear of the former Adventist, and it leaves them little protection in attempting to fight a spiritual warfare. This same gaping hole is in the evangelical church as well. The problem stems from not letting the word do the talking, instead of them talking to the word. Gods word is not going to change no matter how much you talk to it. When and where did this gaping hole appear? When people began to speak to the word instead of letting the word speak to them and this goes back beyond the dark ages. Ephesians 6:17 says And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: They gladly put on the helmet of salvation, but so quickly leave off the sword of the spirit which is the word of God, and having not obeyed the word, leave themselves unprotected against the wiles of the devil. Now you say, Oh brother, that is just not true, we teach the Bible the way it is, No, you teach what you want of the Bible the way it is, then you talk to it. We need to stop talking and let the word speak, because the Bible says the word of god is sharper than any two edged sword. While we spend time trying to disprove what the bible is actually telling us, people are left in bondage of forces in which they have become entangled. Whether by birth because the parents were entangled or pulled in by spiritual forces unseen, bondage is bondage. River | ||
| Rossbondreturns Registered user Username: Rossbondreturns Post Number: 332 Registered: 10-2009 |
I think Phil is very wise to make that statement. There are a great many people who consider themselves to be firm believers in Christ who are in fact not. There are a great many Pastors/Teachers who don't hold to Biblical views and are drifting without an anchor. A great many of these people could easily be suckered into Adventism. Sad as it is to say in this day and age people are turning from the Truth to what they want to hear- and Adventism can somehow be pretty darned persuasive. They seem to have a great deal of things figured out. They seem to offer answers that are backed up by exhaustive amounts of scripture. But what you say about people involved in a solid Bible teaching/believing church? I'm sorry to say that just because one goes to such a church doesn't mean that everyone is firmly grounded in the reality of the Word and its truth. The warnings need to be there about Adventism and a great man churches in Satan's Pocket if you will. And people need to be grounded and anchored in the Bible and have the same solid faith and belief in the Truth like the disciples were empowered with after they received the gift of the Holy Spirit. There's no excuse to go naked in the Battlefield, we're in a Spiritual War daily. We need to wear our armor and carry our weapon and stand firm in the Promises of God. It is when we are grounded and standing firm in Christ, armor on, that we can make the clearest declarations to the Truth and warnings against the false. Ross |
