| Author | Message | ||
| Rain Registered user Username: Rain Post Number: 26 Registered: 9-2011  |
I recently read Colossians 2 as a whole for the first time since becoming a former. Let me tell you, I got chills. Within that one chapter I saw: -salvation through Jesus alone -Our transgressions are forgiven, indicating to me that they're gone (i.e. not on the books to be reviewed later) -that people will try to convince you otherwise -the Law was nailed to the cross (with me having prior knowledge that the OT makes no distinction between the "ceremonial law" and "10Cs") -the Sabbath, along with the other festivals, pointed to Christ, who fulfilled those things (indicating no more use for them) -a second warning that people not mislead us through false doctrine, specifically mentioning visions as a tool to mislead us. ...how did I not see this before? | ||
| Lori Registered user Username: Lori Post Number: 124 Registered: 11-1999 |
The Bible reads different following a "veil-ectomy". It's amazing!! Huge chunks of Scripture you've never seen before become visible! | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 1000 Registered: 5-2009 |
That's pretty good, Lori! You've coined a new word. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 13185 Registered: 12-2003  |
Rain, that is so awesome! I totally understand...that "veil-ectomy" (thanks, Lori!) makes all the difference. In Christ the veil is removed! Colleen | ||
| Skeeter Registered user Username: Skeeter Post Number: 1712 Registered: 12-2007  |
AMEN !!!!!  | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2269 Registered: 7-2007 |
Rain; all of us read the Bible through Ellen White glasses and we were programmed to ignore anything that contradicted the Adventist doctrines. That's the way it was with me anyway! That's why I couldn't get it until the Lord rescued me through a series of miracles! (A friend fasted and prayed for me.) | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 9511 Registered: 3-2004  |
Rain, an adventist minister at the last sda church I attended challenged the ss class, I attended, to read the NT, with no other help. He did this just before Christmas 2003. I started reading the NT Jan 1, 2004 and the rest is history. Thank you awesome God. Diana | ||
| Butterfly_poette Registered user Username: Butterfly_poette Post Number: 109 Registered: 5-2011 |
I read those verses and wasn't sure what to think of them. For years I didn't want to look into them. Now I see what legalism I had to deal with under Adventism. | ||
| Leonie Registered user Username: Leonie Post Number: 16 Registered: 10-2011 |
Diana, I really love the challenge that pastor gave you..... I have given the same challenge to the local pastor when I had my talk with him, however I am not sure he'll do so. I've been doing the same thing lately, and it has surely changed my life. For a month I read through Galathians, Ephesians, Philippians and Colossians continously... It sure blessed me a lot, and helped me see the salvation more clearly. To quote you: Thank you awesome God! Monica. | ||
| Darrell Registered user Username: Darrell Post Number: 130 Registered: 10-1999 |
Here is Col 2:18 "Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind," The line about worship of angels always comes to my mind when I see the prominent three angel designs at many adventist churches and other institutions. | ||
| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 1004 Registered: 5-2009 |
Darrell, that's an excellent point! | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 1375 Registered: 7-2004  |
Don't forget the asceticism either. Avoiding meat, spices, alcohol (and sex-yes wives The Prophet instructs you to direct your spouse to other things when he suggests that) fits that bill. Not to mention avoiding movies, games, sports, and fashion in the name of "religion". Holiness by self-denial is not the righteousness of faith. I find it amusing that SDAs have such a fear/disdain of "worshipping the idol of a cross" but have no such concerns about replacing the symbol of a cross with the symbol of angels. Interestingly Mormon buildings are devoid of the cross but also prominently display an angel. | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 241 Registered: 2-2011 |
It is something to ponder, that both adventists and mormons received their new religious teachings from an "angel of light"~ I do not think this was a 'coincidence'! ~mj~ | ||
| 1john2v27nlt Registered user Username: 1john2v27nlt Post Number: 359 Registered: 5-2009 |
Ric_b, There's another term for asceticism: Pleasure Anorexic. Think about it. Other maladies that personally sdaism caused in me were Self-righteousness, Being Right, Perfectionism & All-knowing. I was told that I needed to 'fire the committee that lives in your head!' and these were the names of them. . . . Finally I was told that I needed to 'resign from the Godhead.' Yep. . . that was the beginning of my healing. This occurred in a sda based treatment center, which God used for my healing, because I would not have trusted any other 'outside' source. Thank God it was firmly 12-step based. That was 21 years ago - December 9 - January 21. Awesome God! Praise Him! J9 | ||
| Mjcmcook Registered user Username: Mjcmcook Post Number: 242 Registered: 2-2011 |
~j9~ Congratulations on your 21 Years~ ~mj~ | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 3835 Registered: 10-2004  |
Here are a couple of other passages from that chapter which refute Adventism:
Jesus Christ is not just "part" (or one third) of "the Godhead" (archaic for "Deity"--modern translations) as Adventism teaches. Rather, He is "all the fulness of the Godhead (Deity)"! The "Godhead" is not a group of three separate divine beings--the Godhead is a single living Being. (To see more of how Adventism is actually non-Trinitarian (yes, even still today!), you can go to my website here: http://www.cultorchristian.com/)
Ellen G. White actually quoted verse 21 as her own slogan to promote her "health message," despite the context saying that it is the false prophets (those who have seen angelic visions--verse 18) that say such things, thus identifying herself as a false prophet for us! Ellen said that abstaining from eating things such as meat, would be of great value against fleshly indulgence (in fact, that was her reason for her dietary rules!), blatantly contradicting verse 23 which says that these things are of no value against fleshly indulgence! Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on December 04, 2011) | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2274 Registered: 7-2007 |
Wow, Jeremy! I just looked up the official E.G. White estate and typed "touch not, taste not, handle not" in the search box. That led me to her quote from "The Ministry of Healing," where she says: "In relation to tea, coffee, tobacco, and alcoholic drinks, the only safe course is to touch not, taste not, handle not." (I clicked on "cached" so that the words would be highlighted, so I could find them easy.) She had the King James Bible so she copied the words the same way that the KJV put it: 21Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21(Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Colossians 2:20-22 KJV | ||
| Hec Registered user Username: Hec Post Number: 1862 Registered: 3-2009 |
Actually, spooky! Hec | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 1380 Registered: 7-2004 |
Jeremy, I don't know how anyone can add to that. Scary stuff. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 13199 Registered: 12-2003 |
EGW totally tipped her hand re: the source of her inspiration. How did I not see it? Colleen |
