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Nowisee
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Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 4:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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But what did Jesus mean when He said, "Of such is the kingdom of heaven?" Are all children ready for heaven? Oh, no indeed. I can think of some who are so naughty and rude and disobedient they would turn heaven into a madhouse if they should ever get there. Others are so destructive they would tear the New Jerusalem to pieces in no time at all if Jesus were to let them come in.

Jesus was thinking of sweet, innocent, unspoiled children when he said, "Of such is the kingdom of heaven." He had in mind those dear boys and girls who respect and obey their parents and try to be unselfish at home and at school. Heaven will be made up of people like this.

And if we are not like this now? Then we must change, or be left out.


Skeeter
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Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 5:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That has to be an Ellenism :-(
Colleentinker
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Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 6:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah--that was the stuff of my childhood. I just could never get good, and I TRIED. I used to beg God to "make me good".

I simply had no idea about repenting, accepting Jesus, and being born again.

It was so frustrating to me that I'd pray and pray...and I STILL couldn't be "good"!

Colleen
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Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 7:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Although my parents did not have all of those books at home, I learned all that in sda school and church. I could never get good enough and stay there when I thought I was good.
Thank you awesome God I am no longer there!
Bskillet
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Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 8:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Evil. Pure evil. Only a child of Satan would write things like this for children.
Nowisee
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Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 8:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, written by good old 'Uncle Arthur'.

I was appalled when I read this and I, like probably most of you, grew up on his 'Bedtime Stories'..got them when I was probably 3-4 yrs old.

This sounds like it was written by someone who doesn't like children at all.

For me, part of the healing from adventism is actually finding out what was ingrained in me as a child, facing it and asking God to heal that broken part of me.
Helovesme2
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Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 9:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nowisee wrote, "For me, part of the healing from adventism is actually finding out what was ingrained in me as a child, facing it and asking God to heal that broken part of me."

Yep! For me too!
Colleentinker
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Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 11:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So true, Nowisee and Mary.

Colleen
Thegoldenway
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Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 6:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

'Evil. Pure evil. Only a child of Satan would write things like this for children.' That is exactly what I thought when I read that quote. But like the rest of you I was compelled to live up to it.....and failed again and again. Knowing the truth about the grace of God has been so healing for me!
lynn
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Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 8:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I sincerely thank the Lord that I was not exposed to THAT as a child. However, I did read it to my children. My MIL bought us the anniversary edition of Uncle Arthur stories which I threw away when we left. She still asks if we still have it and if so will we give it to her. She won't accept our answer of "we threw it away."
Seekinglight
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Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 12:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Remember Eric B. Hare's story titled "Pip-Pip: The Naughty, Disobedient Chicken"? It was about a little chick that disobeyed his mama and was eaten by "Old Mr. Hiss, the Snake"! I had nightmares...
Rossbondreturns
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Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 1:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Pip-pip-pip-pip! Pip-pip-pip-pip!"

"all right mother...all right mother."

Oh yes...all the danged time.

As a P.K. we got inundated with Uncle Arthur, and bad bad dreams.
Seekinglight
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Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 1:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ross, I'm a PK, too.

Remember the graphic description of Pip-Pip being a lump inside the snake?? I remember being scared and feeling SO sorry that little chick.

*Dialing my therapist now*

Dana
Bskillet
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Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 1:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Eating chickens is something I can get behind.
Seekinglight
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Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 2:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lol! Not when the chicken represents YOU...
Cloudwatcher
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Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 3:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just googled "Pip, Pip, The naughty disobedient chiken" and found a forum where they have fond memories of this story. LOL

http://clubadventist.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/7501/Eric_B_Hare

Isn't it amazing how something so awful and bondage-making can create warm and fuzzies in some people?

This is what is so hard about talking to people about what is wrong with SDA, they love the chains.
Seekinglight
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Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 3:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ooo, this brings back some more memories: http://www.flickr.com/photos/timanderson/266600673/

Check out the "Happy Home Record" label in the top right corner.
Wiredog
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Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 7:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmmm yes, I remember Chapel records and cassettes. As a Kid someone gave us 33 1/3 LPs "The Life of Christ" put out by Chapel/Sentinel Records. Anyone ever listen to these?

(http://www.popsike.com/Rare-Vintage-75-LP-Set-The-Bible-in-Living-Sound-1962/180210562976.html)

Makes me wonder mow much of the foundation of the false gospel was laid in my life as a kid while listening to this stuff; all the time I thinking I was learning about Jesus. Just like painting a beautiful frieze in your kids room WITH LEAD BASED PAINT! My what horrors come out of the Devil's workshop.

Thank God!!!!!! in spite of all that He was still able to save.
Asurprise
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Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 7:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I remember one story by "Uncle Arthur" where this little boy was going door to door giving out Adventist material (I think it was Adventist) and he was kidnapped. The man let him go before he took him very far and the moral of the story was that since the boy was "doing God's work," nothing bad could happen to him.

That's a horrible false lesson! What about the Apostle Paul who was beaten and dragged out of the city (they thought he was dead), when he was preaching the gospel!!! Even when I was Adventist, I knew that story was wrong!
Seekinglight
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Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 8:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wiredog, I listened to that whole series (that included the entire Bible, dramatized) throughout my childhood. I loved the stories back then. I would paint, knit, or do puzzles for hours on end listening to the Bible stories. We didn't have a TV, so those things were all I did w/ my free time, when I wasn't playing outside.

I bought the series on CD later, as an adult, bc of the wonderful memories I had attached to them.

Well, I went back and listened to them again after leaving SDA, and EGW's commentary/theology/assumptions are seamlessly interwoven into all the stories. From day 1, the Bible and EGW were completely conflated in my brain.

And, Asurprise, you're absolutely right. So many of those stories conveyed the message that if you were doing the right behaviors, you would be rewarded. And if you were doing the wrong behaviors, you would be--well, eaten by a snake! :/

So, to this day, I still fight faulty beliefs that my current life circumstances are a direct result of my behaviors and choices.

(Message edited by seekinglight on September 28, 2011)

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