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| Nwhitens Registered user Username: Nwhitens Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2011 |
I am being told we can't trust anything except King James. Example: Romans 8:1 "There is therefor now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. My NIV does not have "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit". I am being told this does away with the idea of earning our salvation. They have a lot of similar examples. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 9429 Registered: 3-2004  |
Nwhitens, welcome to FAF. You are in a good place here. Diana L | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 2159 Registered: 7-2007 |
Welcome to the forum, Nwhitens!  As long as it's a translation, it's good, though some translations are better than others. The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered after the KJV was written and translators have a lot more reliable texts to translate from now. The ESV is the best thought for thought translation and and the NAS is the best word for word translation (unless I have those reversed.) Again, any translation is good. The ones to stay away from are the paraphrases. | ||
| Bskillet Registered user Username: Bskillet Post Number: 868 Registered: 8-2008 |
The KJV was a translation made by Jimmie for purely political reasons. In his decree calling for the new translation, he even required that the Greek word Ekklesia be mis-translated because he wasn't comfortable with the egalitarian overtones of the equivalent English word "congregation." Where is it written that we should trust the government when it comes to religious matters? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12993 Registered: 12-2003  |
Welcome, Nwhitens! In all reality, historic Adventists like KJV the best because its word choices have been used historically to support its doctrines. For example, it is the KJV that says "…and then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" in Daniel 8:14...the translation they need in order to really support their wild claim for the investigative judgment. Modern translations, which are done by panels of well-known evangelical scholars using the oldest and most reliable available manuscripts (many of which were not yet discovered when the KJV was translated and published in 1610) use words such as "restored" or "reconstituted" in Daniel 8:14. Modern translations don't give SDAs the actual words they used to develop that doctrine. Yet the words used in the modern translations are accurate. As far as Romans 8:1 goes, it's true that particular phrase, "who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit" is missing from the modern translations. Two points about that: first, if that phrase were in the best and oldest manuscripts, it would be in the modern translations. Second, that phrase is superfluous. Romans 8:1 says,
This sentence says the entire truth: those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, whether or not they give in to the flesh. This truth cannot be understood, however, without understanding the new birth—the bringing to life of our dead spirits by the indwelling Holy Spirit when we repent and place our trust in the Lord Jesus. When we are in Him we are not condemned, even if we sin. The rest of the chapter explains that, being born again, we can now choose whether to give in to the flesh (not even a choice before being born again...we ALWAYS lived in the flesh) or surrendering out temptations and impulses to the Lord Jesus by the Spirit's convicting, enabling power. Colleen | ||
| Bskillet Registered user Username: Bskillet Post Number: 869 Registered: 8-2008 |
True Colleen. Chapter 8 starts with "therefore," indicating that he is still in the same train of thought at the end of chapter 7. The whole point of the argument at the end of chapter 7 is that Jesus saved Paul, and Paul needed saving because he was unable to perform what he knew was good. That is why he then says, "There is therefore now no condemnation." It would not make sense if he were to say (I paraphrase here), "I cannot do good. Who can save me from the condemnation that stems from inability to do what is right no matter how much I want to? Jesus Christ!" And then, "I have no condemnation because I am able to do what is right." This is self-contradictory. When the Bible is unclear, context always, always, rules. As well, note the statement later on: "Now if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." Walking according to the Spirit does not mean we don't sin. It means Christ's resurrection life is in us, so that we belong to Him. I have read--the source escapes me--that the extra "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" is not present in the best and earliest manuscripts. It is probably a gloss, with the scribe accidentally copying the end of verse 4 onto the end of verse 1. (Message edited by bskillet on September 27, 2011) | ||
| Handmaiden Registered user Username: Handmaiden Post Number: 255 Registered: 7-2008 |
Excellent posts Colleen and Bskillet. |
