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| Nowisee Registered user Username: Nowisee Post Number: 881 Registered: 5-2009 |
Browsing through the very latest Review brought interesting news: 1. If you hurry, you can make the latest Raw Foods Potluck Supper in Phoenix. You can bring a vegetable or fruit salad, but no dressing allowed (honest). 2. San Joaquin Community Hospital is hosting a "Sacred Work Sabbath" (is this the latest version of "Happy Sabbath"?) on August 20 @ the Rabobank Theater in Bakersfield CA. Mark Finley is morning speaker. 3. At a recent ASI convention (titled "Hastening the Day"), Peter Neri, pastor of the Paradise church in Las Vegas, alerted members with this quote: " To hold the people in darkness and impenitence till the Savior's mediation is ended, and there is no longer a sacrifice for sin, is the object which he (Satan) seeks to accomplish". GC, pg. 581. 4. A young man, Rico Hill, has developed a program that will be taken to secular colleges and churches. Called 'The Daniel Project', it is challenging students to try 'Daniel's plant-based lifestyle' so they can 'look better, feel better, and think more clearly. "Teams on several campuses in the U.S. and elsewhere have been presenting the weekly lifestyle challenges, accompanied by current research on each aspect'. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7288 Registered: 9-2006  |
My wife used to work the heart floor at San Joaquin Community Hospital, for some reason I always thought it was a Catholic hospital, course we neither one knew what an Adventist was. All I ever had to do with San Joaquin is to get a big shiver of wood pulled out of my leg. The doc said that I might want to look away while he took this thing out and I said, Naw..I'm ok, I want to watch. My advice, when the doctor tells you to look away, then look away. Ha! I wonder how you pull off a sacred work Sabbath? | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1967 Registered: 7-2007 |
Why do they think that Daniel ate a plant-based diet? Don't they know that God ordered Israel to eat the Passover lamb each year? (Which pointed forward to the real Passover Lamb) Don't they know that Daniel was an Israelite and therefore subject to that law? And what about Jesus? He ate lamb for Passover and He also ate fish. He even cooked some for His disciples after His resurrection when they were out in the boat. (And ate some when He appeared to them in the upper room, after His resurrection.) Do they think that Jesus didn't have the "light" that flesh foods supposedly brings out the "animal passions" that Ellen was supposedly given? (And if eating meat will keep people from being able to go through the "time of trouble" in the end, because it supposedly weakens them; how did Jesus go through His "time of trouble" in the Garden of Gethsemane before His crucifixion? Even Adventists believe that Jesus' "time of trouble" then was worse than anybody will have to go through. How do they think that Jesus managed right after eating the Passover lamb? | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 7291 Registered: 9-2006 |
Good Questions, did you ever get an Adventist to answer them?  | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1969 Registered: 7-2007 |
River, I don't remember actually asking those questions. I'll have to remember to ask them when I have a chance next time. I've pointed out other things though - especially those things I just wrote on the thread called Challenge for SDAs. When I was an Adventist, I think I would have rationalized away all the verses that undermine Adventist theology - figuring that I simply didn't "understand" them. That's what I did with any verses I didn't understand anyway, when I was an Adventist. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12714 Registered: 12-2003  |
Once I asked my MIL how she explained that Jesus at fish in his resurrection body. Her response was that the health message hadn't been given yet. It's all about "present truth"... Her answer totally reveals the Adventists' view of Jesus as limited, a demi-god at best. He's "just like us" but with super-hero powers when he needs them. Nowisee, I'm just grinning about your post above. I love how you pick up those details...the Raw Foods Potluck just sounds too good to miss. What a rare treat, salads without dressing!! How often do we get those?! Colleen | ||
| Butterfly_poette Registered user Username: Butterfly_poette Post Number: 15 Registered: 5-2011 |
Raw foodism is interesting. I dont' know how anyone can follow it all the time. I have it hard enough trying to be vegan, which is why I'm just vegetarian. (Been vegetarian all my life). Well, the Bible NEVER said that Daniel and his pals were vegetarians. Never. I have no idea why SDAs think that. www.thegardendiet.com Interesting website on Raw Veganism. | ||
| Rossbondreturns Registered user Username: Rossbondreturns Post Number: 191 Registered: 10-2009  |
And Daniel and his friends wouldn't be vegetarian either since they had to eat the Passover Lamb (at the very least) each year. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 3736 Registered: 10-2004  |
Daniel 10:2-3 says that Daniel ate meat and drank wine all the time (it was a rare fast for him to go 3 weeks without). Jeremy | ||
| Angelcat Registered user Username: Angelcat Post Number: 333 Registered: 11-2008 |
So let me get this straight...according to SDA's, Daniel had the health message but Jesus didn't? I remember as an Adventist, I used to be a helper in the primary department. One week we were doing the story of Daniel, and in the helps, there were pictures of all kinds of food, and the kids were supposed to sort into healthy & unhealthy. Most were easy, but the chicken caused some problems. I wasn't vegetarian, the teacher wasn't, one kid wasn't even adventist...it was finally resolved by saying it wasn't super bad, but not really good either....kind of ok once in awhile. | ||
| Butterfly_poette Registered user Username: Butterfly_poette Post Number: 31 Registered: 5-2011 |
Much of the "SDA foods" are loaded with sodium. Those canned "meats" are nothing but loaded with salt. Some visitors to the cooking school couldn't even believe the sodium amount. Yeah, so much for great healthy food from Loma Linda and Worthington. | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 2849 Registered: 8-2004  |
Great way to state that Angelcat! I don't ever remember it being said that clearly, but that would be the logical conclusion: Daniel 'stood up' for the health message (which perhaps is why 'Dare to be a Daniel' was such a popular song at SDA services?), but Jesus 'erred on the side of the people' or 'vegetarianism wasn't yet 'present truth'. Crazymaking! | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 2499 Registered: 5-2007  |
Well, as for Loma Linda and Worthington, the Adventist denomination now has an alibi. These companies are now owned and run by the Kellogg Cereal Company along with several other companies that that they own that produce imitation food popular with Adventist. How do I know this? Other than the advice to read the fine print on labels, Kellogg also bought the company I work for and now I am able to access the corporate website where they list all the companies they own. I smile about this because William Keith Kellogg was once an Adventist. When the Kellogg officials came to our plant to introduce themselves as our new bosses and talk about the Kellogg brothers, they were taken a bit aback when they found out I knew more about the Kellogg’s than they did. My maternal grandmother was born in the Battle Creek Sanitarium and her mother was a nurse there. My dad’s parents both took nurses training, met and were married at the St Helena Sanitarium which was established by their older brother, Dr. Merritt Kellogg and the officials didn’t even know there was another brother who also was a doctor. Note: The Loma Linda Company roots go back to St Helena (the town near the sanitarium) where Dr. Merritt sponsored (but not involved in) a company producing peanut based products that evolved into what Loma Linda would later do. Fearless Phil | ||
| Gcfrankie Registered user Username: Gcfrankie Post Number: 800 Registered: 1-2007 |
I read a medical report that said a little soy was alright but a lot is not good. SDA's love their soy. Look at all their products that has soy in it. No thank-you. | ||
| Psalm107v2 Registered user Username: Psalm107v2 Post Number: 832 Registered: 10-2008  |
Angelcat, I have to say megadittos to what Mary said. Your question jumped out at me I think because the defense of the SDA belief system is to set aside systematic knowledge and come up with whatever sounds good at the time. When I had the pleasure of meeting Richard Tinker he briefly commented how his parents are VERY sda and Mother Tinker's response to Colleen is telling...defend SDA altars and holy grails at all costs even if the truth is set before you straight from the Bible Enoch | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 2501 Registered: 5-2007 |
Here are my own thoughts on soy: 1. The only known products that I am aware of that are good for you are derived from the soy bean via a fermentation process. 2. Soy products such as fake meat are produced through artificial chemical processes. The dangers and interaction of these processes are not fully understood but appear to have a significant negative impact on your health. 3. The resulting soy product is so without nutritional value it must be supplemented with additives which raise questions of their own health safety. 4. Salt is there to cover up what is lacking and make the product taste ok. 5. One claim, which I have not verified, is that fake soy meat is “one molecule” away from being a plastic. And, when placed as‘bait’ in a wilderness setting where there are food shortages, wildlife will not touch it. If this report is true then wildlife creatures are smarter than people. 6. Henry Ford used soy bean plastic to make the steering wheel on his Model T Ford. Fearless Phil |
