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| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1596 Registered: 7-2007 |
Here the Bible talks about the Holy Spirit Seal: 13 "In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory." Ephesians 1:13,14 Here Ellen White talks about the Sabbath seal: "The enemies of God's law, from the ministers down to the least among them, have a new conception of truth and duty. Too late they see that the Sabbath of the fourth commandment is the seal of the living God." The Great Controversy; in the chapter called "God's People Delivered" - chapter 40 I thought I'd write this for any curious and searching Adventists or anyone else who'd like to see one of the contradictions between the Bible and EGW. | ||
| Pnoga Registered user Username: Pnoga Post Number: 444 Registered: 1-2007  |
John 6:27 Don't work for the food that perishes but for the food that lasts for eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal of approval on Him." | ||
| Honestwitness Registered user Username: Honestwitness Post Number: 1067 Registered: 7-2005  |
Yes, Asurprise! This is such an obvious contradiction. It reminds me of the children's story about the emperor with no clothes. Remember how the people spoke in glowing terms about the emperor's beautiful but non-existent clothes? It's like that in the kingdom of Adventism, too. The people are able to see for themselves the contradictions between the Bible and Ellen White, but they refuse to acknowledge them. It's more compelling to have the acceptance of their peers than to point out the obvious but painful truth that she blatantly contradicts the Bible on many occasions in her writings. | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1599 Registered: 7-2007 |
Actually, when I was an SDA, I wasn't able to see that EGW contradicted the Bible. I thought the Bible and Ellen White agreed! I went by the series of "proof" texts that I didn't know were taken out of context and I thought Ellen White explained the rest. (I didn't really think about it in these terms, but I didn't think a person could UNDERSTAND the Bible without Ellen White. It's just like the Roman Catholics who don't think they can understand the Bible without the priests.) Here's what I wrote to my sister about this... quote: "Hebrews 4:11 means to enter God's rest - to rest from trying to earn your salvation. You haven't entered THAT rest, ----. You think it's partly up to you to keep saved by keeping vigilant!" She wrote back saying that we'll have to "agree to disagree." | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1600 Registered: 7-2007 |
Oops, I should have put what I wrote to my sister in the thread by Michael Miller "Entering God's Rest..." | ||
| Honestwitness Registered user Username: Honestwitness Post Number: 1070 Registered: 7-2005 |
Asurprise, do you mean that the entire time you were in Adventism no one ever mentioned to you that Ellen White's writings might have contradicted the Bible? Was it never even brought up by anyone that some people believe she is a false prophet, or even that she might have a prophecy that didn't come to pass? If not, then you were really sheltered! | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8861 Registered: 3-2004  |
Honestwitness, I was sheltered also as I NEVER heard anything about egw being a false prophet until I read about it the second time. That was in Dec 2003, just 7 years ago. I read it the first time sometime in 1993 and remember mentioning it my son. It made no impact on my brain as I was sick with chronic fatigue syndrome. It made my brain very cloudy, along with my sda teaching. No one in the churches I attended, before my divorce ever mentioned any dissidents. I have to reverse that. As a teenager there was some talk of some brothers who left adventism. Can't remember their names. That is all I remember. Awesome God really cleared my memory banks of all that knowledge. Diana L | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 1601 Registered: 7-2007 |
I must have been sheltered too. I'd heard of people like Canright, who I heard was a VERY bad man because he rejected the "TRUTH"! But not other Adventists who were currently Adventists while not believing in Ellen White. And of course I'd heard of splinter groups like the Greens who lived down the road from my dad. And the guy who started Waco, except that I heard that he had first wanted to be a rock star and when that failed, he did the Waco thing. Their doctrines were WAY out there as far as I was concerned and weren't anything like Adventism. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12107 Registered: 12-2003  |
Asurprise, that contradiction is huge--and was one of the fist ones that I was able to "see", after the gospel began to make sense to me. I so "metaphorized" the Bible that I could believe what it said was symbolic or "hyperbole"or some sort of figurative language when things didn't make sense. Now the more literally I read it, the more it makes sense and the more it hangs together. The internal consistency and connections are sometimes breath-taking. I never used to see these things! Colleen | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 12108 Registered: 12-2003 |
Honestwitness, I just "saw" you! Welcome "in person"! Nice picture. Colleen | ||
| Honestwitness Registered user Username: Honestwitness Post Number: 1072 Registered: 7-2005 |
Thanks, Colleen. I decided to quit hiding. | ||
| Karethamiller Registered user Username: Karethamiller Post Number: 137 Registered: 8-2010  |
Although I grew up during the 1980s, I was sheltered from the entire debate that went on in those years regarding the Investigative Judgment and also the authenticity of EGW as a prophet. It wasn't until mid-2009 that Michael & I started digging into things. A small part of me wonders why my parents never educated me on the things that were happening, but I have to assume they meant well by not informing myself and my sister. I don't believe they had any malicious intent. It is still sad, though. |
