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| Wiredog Registered user Username: Wiredog Post Number: 28 Registered: 8-2010  |
I was talking with my wife becasue I realized that in Adventisim we use to say certain things in response to Christian beliefs, almost in a programed or automatic way. Granted some of these are not completely cut and dry even in Christians but in Adventisim I said these things in attempt to play up MY point. I practiced fallacies like the "Appeal to Ridicule". So for example, from what I recall-- If we heard Billy Graham preaching we might have said, "Boy wouldn't he make a great Adventist?" (I think Pastor Mark Martin brings that up in his video) Another one I recall is if we heard a person discussing the rapture we might have thought or said, "O come on, you don't really believe in the Secret Rapture!" However, in no case did the person ever say anything about it being "Secret". The other one I can come up with is if we heard, We can be SURE of our salvation we might say, "O come on, you don't really believe in Once saved always saved!" Likewise if we heard a discussion on the Lord's Day observance among Christians, we might have said, "If only they had the Sabbath Truth." I am trying to think of other sayings, can anyone remember some others? | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 462 Registered: 4-2007 |
You hit the biggies. When I'm attending my (gasp) 'Sunday' church filled with joyful Christians I can't help but hear echos of "what a nice group of people, they'd make great Adventists...If they only had the Sabbath truth". | ||
| Cloudwatcher Registered user Username: Cloudwatcher Post Number: 252 Registered: 5-2009 |
These are the big ones. Someone said to us that they are SDA 'cause they can count (they know which day is the 7th). So you could translate that to..."O come on, I thought you could count!" | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 8782 Registered: 3-2004  |
While I was attending the sda church in LV I used to drive by this huge church. It always had all kinds of cars in the parking lot. On Saturdays as I drove by I would tell myself, "Those poor people do not know about the Sabbath" then I would say to myself, "I could never go to a church that big." Well guess what church God literally told me to attend. Yes, it was that big church. I laughed then and am smiling now. Your comments just made me share this. Diana L | ||
| Blessed Registered user Username: Blessed Post Number: 398 Registered: 1-2007 |
I have a friend who is SDA who has watched some of Beth Moore's videos. She took one home and showed her husband. His response was "I can't believe that she isn't an SDA". My friend shared that with me and you can imagine the look on my face!!!! Why is it that anyone who is dynamic for Christ is missing the mark because they are not SDA. Praise the Lord that all of us know otherwise. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 11994 Registered: 12-2003  |
Then there's always this one: "So you can go out and steal, kill, commit adultery, and eat ham sandwiches now, right?" Colleen | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 915 Registered: 2-2008  |
LOL!!! These are hilarious! I love the one... "If the 10 commandments are taken away there will be chaos!" ... isn't there chaos now?? I even asked my mom, "what if the 10C's were taken away today... would you go out and murder someone tomorrow?" She gave me this blank look and said, "I don't know..."  vivian | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 916 Registered: 2-2008 |
btw, while I was adventist, I used to work for 2 Mormon dentists. I had many patients that would tell me that I would make a great Mormon... sigh. vivian | ||
| Wiredog Registered user Username: Wiredog Post Number: 29 Registered: 8-2010 |
@ Vivian, I guess all great cults think alike ;) LOL these are all great! Sad to think we actually said these or heard them from real people!? (Message edited by wiredog on November 18, 2010) | ||
| Martin Registered user Username: Martin Post Number: 132 Registered: 11-2008 |
Don't you think that most of those phrases betray a sense of pride in the person who says them? Of, somehow, being "more" or in a "better position" than the others? At least, they sound like some sort of "self-convincing mantra" to assure yourself that everything in your little camp is a-ok! | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6907 Registered: 9-2006  |
You know, as an evangelical I never heard the words "Secret Rapture" until I heard it from an Adventist who was scoffing at it during a Bible reading one day, I thought, "What is he talking about? Previous to that I always heard it referred to as "The rapture". It seems like I would have heard the term 'Secret Rapture' used from someone in over thirty years. My question is, is 'secret rapture' used by anyone else? I remember the incident when he said it distinctly because it shocked me to hear the term applied to the rapture. I still can't figure out where they come up with the term 'secret rapture. Could anybody tell me where they derive the term from? River | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 917 Registered: 2-2008 |
Wiredog, I think you're statement is very true... they all think alike! My friend who is a former JW has been told by her family that she is no longer saved because she believes in the Trinity. Martin, absolutely!! These all come from an attitude of pride. Sorry River... don't know your answer. I've always thought it was the "secret" rapture too. vivian | ||
| Joyfulheart Registered user Username: Joyfulheart Post Number: 795 Registered: 10-2006 |
I think the Left Behind books (and movies)contributed a lot to people believing there would be a secret rapture of the church. Only Adventists think most Christians believe in a secret rapture. Incidentally, only Adventists believe that most Christians believe that people can come back as spirits from the dead to deceive people. When I first came into the SDA church and was actively trying to show them why Adventists were right, the would ask if I believed the things they were saying most Christians believed. I had to truthfully say that no I didn't know any Christians who believed in a secret rapture, coming back as spirits from the dead to deceive people etc. I can't wait to hear the trumpets, shouts and worship that will fill the air when Jesus returns to set up His kingdom! Joyfulheart | ||
| Bskillet Registered user Username: Bskillet Post Number: 772 Registered: 8-2008 |
Praise God,Yes I CAN! And pepperoni pizza, too!
Praise God and pass the polish sausage! (Message edited by bskillet on November 19, 2010) | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 1814 Registered: 6-2006  |
For many years my MIL thought I prayed to the virgin Mary. About once a year she'd ask me if I did and I'd always tell her "no, Lutherans do not pray to the virgin Mary". It didn't matter, because she'd ask me again the following year. I guess in her mind, if you're not SDA, you probably pray to the virgin Mary!  Leigh Anne | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6908 Registered: 9-2006 |
Well, do the Adventist believe there will be a rapture of some kind, either secret or otherwise? It sounded to me like the Adventist was saying there would be no rapture at all. I don't see where they get the idea that the rapture would be a secret from Tim Lahaye either, although I read his complete series. Lahaye said he got the idea for the book when he seen a married pilot flirting with an airline stewardess, taken from the first novel as a baseline, the novel was based on 'sudden rapture' not secret rapture. Lahaye firmly falls into the pre-trib catagory, as do most other prophecy students and scholars. The idea that people were falling away from the pre-trib doctrine concerned him. What seems to me the more important question that arises from his depiction of the rapture is the idea that a person in back slidden condition would not be taken up in the rapture, as depicted in his book. My question would be that if someone is taken in a fault at that exact same instant that the rapture takes place would he be 'left behind'? My next question would be, to what extent or criteria does it take to be 'ready' for the lords coming? Are we to be constantly uneasy about heaven? Or can we rest in our faith? If it takes a certain perfection to be ready, where is the baseline for that perfection. That is the problem I have with his series, not whether it is a secret or not, there is no way for the rapture to take place in secret for any logical thinking at all. We are all in some stage of imperfection, so are we to toss and turn and be uneasy about the expectation of Jesus return? The fear of being left behind certainly does not lead to a joyous expectation of his return for me. To latch on to this idea tosses faith, and a sabbath of rest as I understand it right out the door and as far as I can understand what the bible says, the idea certainly doesn't go along with passing from death into life, but to enter into life in Christ with the same uncertainty we came to him with in the first place. As far as I am concerned that is the biggest tragedy of Adventism, it leaves millions striving to reach a point of perfection that remains just out of reach and it leads to so many other problems, possibly even stages of insanity from the weight of eternity heading toward them and bearing down on them like an unstoppable freight train. River | ||
| Dljc Registered user Username: Dljc Post Number: 198 Registered: 7-2010 |
I'm like River, I'd never heard of a "Secret Rapture" before. My SDA friend tried to get me to discuss the Rapture with him, but I didn't realize that he is led to believe that it will be a secret. Now I understand his comments a little better.
My SDA friend tells me that because I go to church on Sun-day I go to a church that worships the Sun god. When I showed him John 4:24 where it say we worship God in spirit and in truth, he made the comment "That would mean we can worship God any day of the week!" I thought to myself, DUH! wouldn't that be great! We don't just worship God on the Sabbath! I also told him that not once have I heard the Pastor mention a Sun god. | ||
| Believer247 Registered user Username: Believer247 Post Number: 192 Registered: 3-2009 |
I heard the term "secret rapture" many years before the Left Behind series came out. The only people I heard talk about it were Adventists. River, to answer your question whether Adventists believe there will be a rapture of some kind..... no, they do not believe in any type of rapture secret or otherwise. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 6909 Registered: 9-2006 |
Pauls teachings seem to be more of a threat to them, than a help to them. | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 919 Registered: 2-2008 |
Hi Pat, I've heard that same explanation. I've also read from some sources that the tablets were stamped through to both sides so that they could be read on both sides. The Hebrew letters that had centers supposedly hung in place mysteriously. Some say that the tablets were blue. Jews believe there were 5 commandments on each tablet. I thought we should refer back to an authoritative source of truth to really know what it looked like.
;) vivian |
